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Is this pied markers?

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  • 08-03-2010, 08:37 PM
    XSReptiles
    Is this pied markers?
    Looking at my balls this afternoon I noticed one of my 2010 clutch #2 girls had some "markers" on her belly. I've heard this markings pictured below are known to be pied markers. Just wanted to get folks opinions. I wasn't planning on holding her back.

    http://i983.photobucket.com/albums/a.../Vegaseggs.jpg
    Mom on eggs, she has reduced pattern yet nothing really unique that I can see. Dad was a mojave yet I never saw him.

    http://i983.photobucket.com/albums/a...piedmarker.jpg
  • 08-03-2010, 08:43 PM
    llovelace
    Re: Is this pied markers?
    I would venture to say no, here is a pic of one of mine

    http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u...k/Hetpied3.jpg
  • 08-03-2010, 08:59 PM
    XSReptiles
    Re: Is this pied markers?
    So the black lining should be covering a larger area?
  • 08-03-2010, 09:29 PM
    JLC
    Re: Is this pied markers?
    Pied "markers" can and do show up on normals...and they don't always show up in proven het pieds. IF I had a clutch of possible hets, I might use the markers to attempt to better my odds at picking the actual hets out....but I wouldn't read anything into random markings on a snake with no known pied genetics. .....that's just me. ;)
  • 08-06-2010, 01:42 AM
    kleb68
    Re: Is this pied markers?
    Most of my 100% hets don't have markers... Don't rely on that abused term.

    1.It could help you figure out things if on accident you mixed up clutches...I would definitely rely on the strong markers since it is more common on hets.

    2. Help your peace of mind when you buy a het pied and it just so happens to have the marker.
  • 08-06-2010, 02:26 AM
    loonunit
    Re: Is this pied markers?
    Yes, those are markers, though not the strongest ones I've ever seen. And as already stated, they don't correlate 100% with the piebald gene... but I've had pet store owners tell me that in recent years a lot of breeders have been unloading het and poss het males as "normals", rather than going through the trouble of trying to sell them as hets. So no guarantees... but it never hurts to dink around.
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