Show me your ringers!!

Lets see some of the diffrent ringers out there. Have they proved out? Co-dom or recessive?

This one is a long shot possible het pied. Years from having her ready to put that to the test but I have little doubt she'll prove het pied.

http://snakemorphs.com/images/F08PREM05_belly_med.jpg

This next one I think is caused by egg stress. The possible het pied father of the first one is one of several possible fathers for this 2nd one but other than the ringer she doesn't really have a het pied belly.

http://snakemorphs.com/available/ima...BREM01_med.jpg

I've decided not to even keep this 2nd one so I'll never know if she proves to be anything genetic but I don't think it's likely she is.

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

This one is a long shot possible het pied. Years from having her ready to put that to the test but I have little doubt she'll prove het pied.

http://snakemorphs.com/images/F08PREM05_belly_med.jpg

This next one I think is caused by egg stress. The possible het pied father of the first one is one of several possible fathers for this 2nd one but other than the ringer she doesn't really have a het pied belly.

http://snakemorphs.com/available/ima...BREM01_med.jpg

I've decided not to even keep this 2nd one so I'll never know if she proves to be anything genetic but I don't think it's likely she is.

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Those are markers not ringers! Here is a good example of a ringer: http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=h...1t:429,r:2,s:0

Hatched this one from het pied pair
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/h...jhall8/038.jpg

Here's a fire ringer that was produced by Steve Roussis. Every fire in the clutch was a ringer. He's fathered a few clutches here but no ringers yet.

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...1/Firemale.jpg

And an extreme ringer, produced by Brock Wagner. I still haven't decided what to breed her to in the future, maybe the fire ringer? or a pied?

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...gneringer2.jpg

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Originally Posted by seeya205

Those are markers not ringers!

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Mine certainly aren't very extreme examples but I think they are the same phenomena. It starts with a clean white on the belly and on the better ones actually makes the white on the back (my 2nd one just has a faded ring around the back, the first one goes up the side a little but not all the way around). It's always the same place close to the tail. Wonder if it has anything to do with the umbilical?

Ringers are much more common in het pieds. I saw a double het albino pied girl once that had a pretty wide white band all the way around. But interesting that non het pieds can have it too. RDR coined the name “ringer bellies” for what most others look for in het pieds. Maybe whatever accident causes ringers is just more likely to happen in het pieds since they have a tendency to white belly anyway and a homozygous pied is almost sure to have ringers all over and not just the easiest place for it to happen with one or no copies of the pied gene.

Also the champagne gene seems to promote ringers but I've not seen a champagne in person yet. Do they have white bellies?

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Originally Posted by Dave Green

Here's a fire ringer that was produced by Steve Roussis. Every fire in the clutch was a ringer. He's fathered a few clutches here but no ringers yet.

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...1/Firemale.jpg

And an extreme ringer, produced by Brock Wagner. I still haven't decided what to breed her to in the future, maybe the fire ringer? or a pied?

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/p...gneringer2.jpg

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WOW That is extreame. Sure that isn't something like a champane pied?

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Originally Posted by mpenny

WOW That is extreame. Sure that isn't something like a champane pied?

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It looks like some kind of pied!

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Originally Posted by mpenny

WOW That is extreame. Sure that isn't something like a champane pied?

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No pied in that girl, she was produced from a champagne x normal breeding. Many champagnes seem to be ringers.

2010 Male cinnamon ringer.

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/j...nm-10-01-2.jpg