morphs and their possible defects Q

ok I was wondering if anyone compiled a list of all the current morphs ( a super form could be listed as well ) with their possible defects ( maybe a short explain of what it is for those with limited knowledge).

I was thinking of this when I buddy emailed me pic of a sugar pastel he got, that missing one eye and a has a kink.
example and all below

morph------ gene type---- possible defect

spider------ (domident)----- prone to wobble this is a slight shaking of the head and can be misssing to a corkscrewing (spinning and falling over) effect.

I don't know of an actual list, but some other ones (besides spider since you included that above) are:

Caramel - Recessive - Kinking of the spine
Super Cinnamon - Co-dominant - "Platypus face" or "Duck-Bill"
Pearl (Super Woma) - Co-dominant - inability to thrive (correct me if I'm wrong - those that do hatch out alive die soon thereafter).

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Originally Posted by mechnut450

I was thinking of this when I buddy emailed me pic of a sugar pastel he got, that missing one eye and a has a kink.

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I don't think the Sugar Pastel has any known defects, that sounds like an incubation issue to me. :confused:

Unless it happens 90% of the time, I wouldn't call it a defect. As in your case of the sugar pastel. I've seen many without the defects you described.

Anyone has an idea of how often Super Lessers have bug-eye?

that what he was told too. I was unsure if some of the morphs have defects and such that seems to be common and such. I don't consider it a defect but I know that some pieds are really pickie eaters, but that can be any snake lol...

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Originally Posted by mmca

Unless it happens 90% of the time, I wouldn't call it a defect.

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I think 90% is WAY too high of a number. Even if it happens only 20% of the time, that is pretty significant if it is unknown or mostly unknown in other morphs.

Consider this, if you have a co-dom morph male, and you pair him to a normal female. Hatchlings of this morph sell for $250 (for simplicity, I'm going to ignore any price difference between males and females). If the female gives you a big clutch of 10 eggs (or you can think 2 females, 5 eggs each, if you prefer), you can expect about 5 morph babies, or $1250. However, even if only 20% of the hatchlings are defective, that reduces your expected sales to $1000. That's significant!

Let's use 80%, which would still be "not defective" based on your number. So, out of those 10 eggs, you can expect only 1 healthy morph hatchling. That's "ok" with you?

This is an interesting thread . .. I'm eager to see what others list.

I am uncertain as to whether there has been a minimum % for a defect to be considered as such. I am working with Caramels. I have heard reports of some pretty extreme kinks rates -- 30%-80%.

For me, 20% would be highly successful. 10% or less would be noteworthy enough to gather attention. I am looking forward to a sample size of at least 30 visuals to see where the numbers fall.

I am batting 1.000 so far -- 7 for 7. :)

I was thinking about this earlier today. it would be nice to compile a list. Are tthere any other balls with kinks? Are balls with the defect of small eyes due to defect or poor incubation?

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Originally Posted by lesserlover

I was thinking about this earlier today. it would be nice to compile a list. Are tthere any other balls with kinks? Are balls with the defect of small eyes due to defect or poor incubation?

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Poor incubation is completely different than something caused by a genetic mutation. You can get "deformities" in any ball python if they aren't incubated correctly. I put deformities in quotes, because it isn't necessarily something "bad". This can sometimes occur as a variation in pattern from the typical wild-type.