cinnamon + cinnamon?

I wanna start a cinnamon line this year, I just want to make sure i have this all right cuz im hearing different things from different people so im a bit unsure.
A cinnamon+ cinnamon= super cinnamon.
And i heard that if you breed these two together you'll get deformities in the jaw is this true?

cinnamon+bumblebee= spider cinnamon, pastel cinnamon(pewter), cinnamons and normals?

the only way to get a cinybee you would have to breed a pastel cinnamon to a spider cinnamon? is this right?

A: I don't think you can really start your own line unless you get an animal from the wild that has a specific trait you are looking to breed for. If you buy an animal from a certain line, you can't just start breeding it and call it's offspring your own line.

B: A cinnamon and a bumble bee will only give you: normals, cinnamons, spiders, pastels, bumblebees, cinnabees, pewters, and pewter bees.

C: No a cinnabee is a cinnamon to a spider.

Many, possibly most Super Cinnies do display what's known as a duck bill, the nose is broadened so it looks very much like a duck's bill:

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=93283

It doesn't seem to have any negative impact on the animal's ability or inclination to feed and you have to consider that given the genetic power of the Super Cinny.

Personally, I think they are fab looking snakes, dark patternless body with a pure white belly and they can lead to some fab combos:

Super Cinny x Super Pastel = 100% Pewters
Super Cinny x Cinny Pewter = Silver Bullets, Pewters, Super Cinnies and Cinnies
Super Cinny x Bumble Bee = Pewter Bees, Cinny Bees, Pewters and Cinnies

Chris

what did they mean by the super cinnamons kinking? and what area of the snake kinking?

I don't think cinnamons are prone to kinking, genetically. That tends to be associated with caramel albinos. Cinnamons are prone to a "duckbill" effect on their head and nose structure. When a snake kinks though it has to do with their spine. The spine bends at sharp/odd angles. I had a hatchling last season with kinks.

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r...ke/mine004.jpg

And here I have circled the exact location of the spinal kinks.

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r.../mine005-1.jpg

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Originally Posted by AngelinaB

what did they mean by the super cinnamons kinking? and what area of the snake kinking?

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All snakes can kink. However Cinni's aren't any more prone to it than normals. There are however I'm sorry to say morphs like Caramels that do have a higher tendency to present a "Kink".

A "kink" is simply a deformation in the spine. It can be very dramatic and severely hinder the animals life and well being or it can be as simple and the tip of the tail being "misaligned".

Super Cinni's can have a deformation of the size and shape of the scales on what amounts to the bridge of their nose. It gives them a wider and concave looking snout reminiscent of a duck bill.

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Originally Posted by AngelinaB

what did they mean by the super cinnamons kinking? and what area of the snake kinking?

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Not sure what they mean?

Maybe they mixed up carmel with super cinny.
carmels kink & super cinnys have duck billing & spiders head wobble & spinning

Cinnabee is a cinny spider.

ok that makes sense, thanks for clearing that up for me guys :)

I was told that along with the duckbilled thing that kinking was also common in homozygous cinnamons but just wasn't talked about much. Just hearsay as I've only seen one clutch of two but one of those was both kinked and duckbill and the other looked fine to me.

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Originally Posted by RandyRemington

I was told that along with the duckbilled thing that kinking was also common in homozygous cinnamons but just wasn't talked about much. Just hearsay as I've only seen one clutch of two but one of those was both kinked and duckbill and the other looked fine to me.

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Wow really..Interesting stuff..I'll have take a closer look at super cinni's next time I get the chance..