pieds and leopards

So what's the word, if any, on how piebalds and leopards are related? Are leopards some kind of new fancy-looking allele, and breeding them together is like breeding together two het pieds?

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Originally Posted by loonunit

So what's the word, if any, on how piebalds and leopards are related? Are leopards some kind of new fancy-looking allele, and breeding them together is like breeding together two het pieds?

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Leopards? new to me
. . .this is all i found, guess you'll have to wait to hear from Mr. Kobylka
http://www.jkobylkareptiles.com/snake_room.php?id=36

I´m also very interested in some info about it. I have seen some pics of the piedjagur on Greg Graziani´s website ( i think is was) and it looks very cool but no info.

Regards

Henke

If I'm not mistaken, the very first Pied was produced by Pete Kahl. His het Pieds had a Leopard pattern. It was a kind of visual marker. My buddy actually has a trio of Leopard het Pieds that he thinks relate back to that same line.

Holy, nice morph!

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Originally Posted by Toronto Python Gurus

Leopards? new to me
. . .this is all i found, guess you'll have to wait to hear from Mr. Kobylka
http://www.jkobylkareptiles.com/snake_room.php?id=36

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Unfortunately I am not an expert on Leopards yet but am thrilled to be working with a couple examples of this incredible mutation.

To my understanding the leopard mutation is dominate but is only visual when in conjunction with the pied gene. The theory that it is on the same alle as the pied, simply because you can produce the homozygous piebald that is visual leopard.

Justin

Forgive me,

I'm feeling a little dense tonight. :oops:

Does that mean that the gene for leopard has two mutations in it - both pied and another pattern change?

Or does that have to be wrong as that would make a homozygous leopard automatically have the piebald trait as well - and therefore be co-dom not dom?

Does it work like the lesser platinum part of the platty daddy? Or more like a dominant version of the daddy gene?

Edumacate me before I think again. :please: :P


dr del

I think the leopard is a separate dominant (or codominant though not sure if leopard x leopard has been done yet) mutation that is just coincidentally tied in with the pied mutation due to the mutation's origins. Greg Graziani had leopards, leopard pastels, leopard spiders (all het or possible het pied) and a couple leopard pieds, leopard pastel pieds, and leopard spider pieds last year. I think he'd probably be one of the better people to ask about the mutation.

My head hurts....:rolleye2:

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Originally Posted by jkobylka

Unfortunately I am not an expert on Leopards yet but am thrilled to be working with a couple examples of this incredible mutation.

To my understanding the leopard mutation is dominate but is only visual when in conjunction with the pied gene. The theory that it is on the same alle as the pied, simply because you can produce the homozygous piebald that is visual leopard.

Justin

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So Justin Leopard X Pied produce a Pied???