Super Spider

Has it been proven that this is a lethal gene? or are they just a dominant trait so there is no super. I have seen some people say that you will loose one in four eggs on average as those would have been supers I wondered how many of you have tried spider x spider and seen this as a result? Or is it just a rumor that someone made up and people believe? I know its not a good idea to breed spider x spider due to the neurological issue they have its better to out-cross more than to breed them together but I would like to see if it really is a lethal combo.

I do believe there is a supposed super on ks right now.

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Originally Posted by 2kdime

I do believe there is a supposed super on ks right now.

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Can't find it now, but I saw that one for 600...if that's the one you mean. Thought about giving it a shot.

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Originally Posted by 2kdime

I do believe there is a supposed super on ks right now.

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Did it look like a normal spider or how did they come to the conclusion that it was a super. I am assuming it was bred to a normal and produced all spiders.

The picture is of what I believe to be an IMG spider....the IMG is completely random and most of them are born normal...shed and pretty much turn grey...then slowly regain color...usually a brighter yellow odd pigmented color. I hear there's a super spider...but it looks like a normal spider...nobody else seems to be trying the breeding so the rumors we have are what stands. Wanna know for sure...do the breeding :)

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Originally Posted by jason79

Has it been proven that this is a lethal gene? or are they just a dominant trait so there is no super.

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just a note, something has to happen to make it not have a super form, thus making it dominant. Spiders are heterozygous so they carry a Spider gene and a normal gene. If both parents gave the spider gene to the offspring, making it homozygous, something would have to happen to it to make it not exist, or it would not be considered dominate. thus it must be lethal, or reabsorbed, or something.

take the super woma for example, it has a lethal super form but it does hatch and live for a bit some woma is considered co-dominant, since the pearl does exist for a short while.

only way I can think of to have a non-lethal dominate gene would be if it was sex linked, but I don't think theres any sex linked snake morphs. mayb theres other ways?

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

just a note, something has to happen to make it not have a super form, thus making it dominant. Spiders are heterozygous so they carry a Spider gene and a normal gene. If both parents gave the spider gene to the offspring, making it homozygous, something would have to happen to it to make it not exist, or it would not be considered dominate. thus it must be lethal, or reabsorbed, or something.

take the super woma for example, it has a lethal super form but it does hatch and live for a bit some woma is considered co-dominant, since the pearl does exist for a short while.

only way I can think of to have a non-lethal dominate gene would be if it was sex linked, but I don't think theres any sex linked snake morphs. mayb theres other ways?

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Have you proven that it is lethal ? and if you theroy is correct what about pinstripes?

I heard it was a lethal gene too, but have yet to find anyone who can confirm that from first-hand experience. I haven't exactly tried very hard, though. I probably talk to Kevin at NERD on a weekly basis, but never think to ask. lol

It's either lethal, or it's not very different for a "super". Either way, I think it's probably not worth doing a spider x spider pairing for that reason alone.

That spider from a spider x spider pairing...I was thinking about buying it, just in case the guy hit on some subtle co-dom (like a vanilla) where the het version isn't all that obvious, or a recessive.

Then I realized I've bought bumblebees for about the same price, and we know those are genetic. lol

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Originally Posted by jason79

Have you proven that it is lethal ? and if you theroy is correct what about pinstripes?

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talk to Brian bhb, hes pretty sure hes proven pinstripe to be co-dominant, it looks exactly like a normal pinstripe, just babies it throws are all pins, not 50%. I think he wants to write up something formal and collect his data, which with all the other stuff he does like snakebytes and python ban info, i doubt we will see for a while. im going to try it as soon as i can.

the thing is you can't 100% prove it being lethal, i think the proof is in the fact that 1999 is when the spider morph was produced (by kevin from NERD so he would be the best to talk to) and we have yet to see a super spider in 10 years and im pretty sure, like every other morph in the entire snake world, people were trying to make a super.

spider x spider breedings are still being done today, i know someone who is doing a bumblebee x bumblebee breeding this year... ill let you know the results, but even if theres no dead eggs it doesn't prove a thing, he might just not hit on a super.

it might not be lethal, the supers might get reabsorb even b4 their laid for some reason and that would be even harder to prove, you can speculate all you want, but one of these 2 things are fact.

1. Super spider is the most allusive morph in the ball python world
2. It doesn't exist due to the unlimited reasons we can speculate

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

talk to Brian bhb, hes pretty sure hes proven pinstripe to be co-dominant, it looks exactly like a normal pinstripe, just babies it throws are all pins, not 50%. I think he wants to write up something formal and collect his data, which with all the other stuff he does like snakebytes and python ban info, i doubt we will see for a while. im going to try it as soon as i can.

the thing is you can't 100% prove it being lethal, i think the proof is in the fact that 1999 is when the spider morph was produced (by kevin from NERD so he would be the best to talk to) and we have yet to see a super spider in 10 years and im pretty sure, like every other morph in the entire snake world, people were trying to make a super.

spider x spider breedings are still being done today, i know someone who is doing a bumblebee x bumblebee breeding this year... ill let you know the results, but even if theres no dead eggs it doesn't prove a thing, he might just not hit on a super.

it might not be lethal, the supers might get reabsorb even b4 their laid for some reason and that would be even harder to prove, you can speculate all you want, but one of these 2 things are fact.

1. Super spider is the most allusive morph in the ball python world
2. It doesn't exist due to the unlimited reasons we can speculate

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Or 3. its like pinstripe and the super looks like a normal spider.
I just made this poll to see how many people have actually tried it. I have no doubt when spiders first came out it was attempted by quite a few people with no proof yet. But I hate when people just kinda guess at something and then tell people that it must be the truth without having ever tried to prove it. I don't even have a male spider I have 2 females so I have no intention of trying it myself either but I also dont tell people that its a lethal gene because I don't know. Maybe someone that has tried this multiple times will chime in and we can see their results.