Cinnamon VS Black Pastel

Is there a difference between a Cinnamon and a Black Pastel? Because I was going to buy a Cinnamon to breed with my lemon pastel. Which would give me Pewters correct? Then if i bred a Pewter to my lemon pastel I would get Silver Streaks correct? If im wrong please help me out lol. im looking at making pewters and silver streaks so whatever I need to go with my lemon pastel thats what ill get.

There are minor differences, but you get similar designer morphs with them.

Personally I would take a Black Pastel over a Cinnamon any day. They take what Cinnamons do and do it 20x better. The blacks are blacker and cleaner, which should make Silver Bullets that arent splotchy. The super should make a brilliant all white snake if it were also albino.

I would say there the same kinda like the butter and lesser !

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Originally Posted by Haydenphoto

I would say there the same kinda like the butter and lesser !

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If the butter always produced dirty BELs :P

http://www.grazianireptiles.com/coll...ullet-4-tn.jpg
http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...on-pastel.html
http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...er-pastel.html


Black Pastel
http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...t=black+pastel
http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...t=black+pastel
http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...t=black+pastel
http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...+pastel&page=2

They're just better.

personally I think there are significant differences between the two as regards color and pattern, however they both modify the same gene in similar ways. I've got both now and if I didn't know any better, I'd swear they were two completely different mutations just on looks alone. They might be considered alleles, different mutations of the same gene, similar to the differences between Lesser Platinums and Mojaves.

So let me ask this question, what happens genetic/morph wise if you start the line with Cinny's and then add black pastels?

Cinny X Pastel = Pewter X BLK PST = ??????

I think the double hets are also all black snakes like the hom of either.

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Originally Posted by WildCreations

So let me ask this question, what happens genetic/morph wise if you start the line with Cinny's and then add black pastels?

Cinny X Pastel = Pewter X BLK PST = ??????

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A snake that is both cinnamon and black pastel produces a black snake just like a snake that is both lesser platinum and mojave produces a white snake. (both are different mutations of their same respective gene)

Well, by my calculations there would be 8 different possibilities.

Pewters that were cinnamon x pastel
Pewters that were black pastel x pastel
Cinnamons
Black Pastels
Pastels
Normals
Pastel black snakes (pastel + cinnamon + black pastel) (I don't know what these are called)
black snakes (cinnamon + black pastel) (Not sure what these would be called either)

It comes done to personal taste, I am more of a Black Pastel myself.
As for breeding.

Pewter from Cinny bred to a Lemon will not give you a Silver Streak but the sterling ;)

Black Pewter (Pewter from Black Pastel) bred to a Lemon is the pairing that will give you a Silver Streak.


Little recap on Cinny and Black Pastel pairing

Cinny x Cinny make the Super Cinny

Cinny x Pastel make the Pewter

Pewter x Pastel make the Sterling

Pewter x Cinny make the Silver Bullet

Black Pastel x Black Pastel make the super Black Pastel

Black Pastel x Pastel make the Pewter (Black Pewter)

Black Pewter x Pastel make the Silver Streak

Black Pewter x Black Pastel make the Silver Bullet

I am a big cinnamon fan. But I am also a fan of dark cinnamons. I think you have to look at individual animals just like you do with any morph. For example, my cinnamon breeder female is very dark and very clean, and produced some pewters with the same traits. See pictures below:

Mom as a baby:
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/g...pplecloud3.jpg

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/g...ppleCloud2.jpg

Mom as adult:
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/g...nypreggers.jpg

Pewter Baby:
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/g.../Pewter1-1.jpg

Other Pewter Baby:
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/g.../Pewter2-2.jpg

Cinnamon Baby:
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/g...innamon1-2.jpg