Recessive combos-Leucistic Pied?

:confused: Hmmm.... A friend & I were discussing this. Based on other recessive pied combos that have already been produced. Like the Lavender Albino Pied.

If you were to create then breed together, say, 2 lesser pieds. Or 2 mojave pieds etc.. It should be pretty obvious which of the babies wer het for pied of the lessers or mojaves produced. But how would you know if you had a lucy het for pied? Would it have markers? Or is that even possibe with a normally pure white snake.

The best question though.. How would you know if it was a pied lucy once you finally created one? I have 2 theories. Either there would be a slight contrast difference between the whites.. Or if not, i would think the only other way to tell would be the eye color..

Would a lucy pied with no noticable difference in the shades of white, have dark brownish black eyes with black pupils like any normal pied?

Has this been done yet? If not, whats your theory on it.

Im getting a Russo het x Lesser Leucistic and im hoping to get a pied as well. This may be a future project of mine. :cool:

By the way. I know there are pinto pieds with the only color being on the head. So is it even possible to create an actual Lucy Pied? Or would it always be a white snake with a faded head pattern of whatever co dom it represents.

If you bred a lesser-pied to a lesser-pied...ALL the babies would be pieds...no hets. Some might also be lesser-pieds...and some might be lucy-pieds...but there would be no hets.

If you bred a lesser-pied to a lesser-het-pied....any babies that weren't pieds would still be 100% het for pied.

The real question comes down to a lesser-het-pied bred to a lesser-het-pied...would markers show up in a lucy-het-pied? Probably not.

As for what a lucy-pied would look like.... :confuzd: I'm pretty sure such a combo has NOT been produced yet...but I don't know if anyone is trying. When it comes to a very difficult-to-achieve double-homo combo....the guys putting in the $$$ and years of work tend to aim for the combos that are most likely to produce startling results. A white-on-white combo would not be a high priority, I don't think. Not for me, anyhow....were I in the business of making such animals. ;)

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Originally Posted by JLC

As for what a lucy-pied would look like.... :confuzd: I'm pretty sure such a combo has NOT been produced yet...but I don't know if anyone is trying. When it comes to a very difficult-to-achieve double-homo combo....the guys putting in the $$$ and years of work tend to aim for the combos that are most likely to produce startling results. A white-on-white combo would not be a high priority, I don't think. Not for me, anyhow....were I in the business of making such animals. ;)

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Well i do plan to try for some lesser pieds or russo het pieds. Any lessers, russo's or het pieds i got from the combo of my lucy to a pied would still be well worth it. Especially if i ever hit on the pinto pied. Hopefully someday someone will happen to create a lucy pied. Id love to be able to see someday how they look.

The only lesser pied produced thus far (that I am aware of) resulted in an all white snake - produced by Ralph Davis.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

The only lesser pied produced thus far (that I am aware of) resulted in an all white snake - produced by Ralph Davis.

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Then how did he know it was a lesser pied?? If it was all white?

Hi,

Because it couldn't have been a BEL with the parents and the eyes were the wrong colour. :)

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Here is the clutch page where he mentions it.

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dr del

not all het pieds have a marker, just some do, and some ringers are not het pied.... so i wouldn't bet on anything. just if you have a pied breeding, ringers tend to be hets. "tend" highly stressed.

but if it was a combo that didn't involve mojave, my thoughts.... even if the ringer was gonna show up you wouldn't even be able to see it in a lucy. only way to tell would be breeding. and even if you hit the grand lucy pied, you still wouldn't be able to tell, but breeding it to another pied would make 100% lesser (or w/e) pieds which would be awesome.

but the offspring would be more the lookers. i think it be a bad project for a small time breeder personally. id think you want to go for something visually different. but power to ya if you do make a pied lucy.

Was there an all white spider pied hatched recently?

I know the early spider pieds had yellow heads but it would be interesting if adding spider to a pied could also produce a 100% white pied. As far as I know, other than that and the first lesser pied, all other pieds have non white heads. Anyone heard how that lesser pied is doing and if any more have been produced? It sounds like pied white is the whitest of the white, even more than say super lesser.

2 different people have posted pictures of an all white snake that both came from a Spider Het Pied X Pied pairing.

Roussis produced an all white snake that involved Pied (White Wedding).

The "Panda Pied" pictures I've seen have an all white head. I'd say that all white would be possible in that combo as well since the head is all white.