50% het pied x normal

[KLHReptiles]

What % het pieds would this pairing make? Thanks!

[PythonWallace]

Either 50% het or 0%. Usually, a 50% het is bred to a visual morph to prove whether or not it is in fact a het. If you have a 50% het, and breed it to a normal, you really can't say the babies are anything other than normals. If it's a male, you could hold back all the females from the breeding and raise them up for 2-3 years to breed back to the 50% poss het to see if you hatch any pieds, but breeding a 50% het to a normal is pretty much the same as breeding two normals together. These days, you would almost have the same odds of hatching a morph from a 4 year project like the one you are talking about, as you would from doing the same pairings with any normal cb male. If it's a 50% poss het female, I would buy a het male to breed to her next year.

To answer your question, Some would say you'd have 25% hets. I'd call them 0%, until you prove the poss het parent is a het. I have a bee that's poss het albino, but until he fathers an albino, he's just a bee.

[kc261]

Most people would consider them normals until the phet parent has been proven.

I suppose mathematically, they are 25% phets. However, that can be misleading. Often people will buy an entire clutch of 50% or 66% phets, because that gives them a very good chance of having at least one carry the gene. However, since in this case we don't even know if the parent carries the gene, there is still a very high chance that none of the babies will carry the gene.

If for example a 50% phet male was bred to several normal females, you might end up with 25 "25%" phet babies. However, if the phet male is not actually a het, then NONE of those babies even have a chance of carrying the gene.

On the other hand, if you used a 100% het male instead, those 25 50% phet babies have an astronomically low chance of being all normals.

[EmberBall]

They would be normals, plain and simple, IF you were to sell them. As far as price would go, normal price, but I would also tell the buyer the whole story. If you sold a possible, possible, possible Het Axanthic to some buyer who was trying to prove out their line of Axanthic.....it might mess up their project.

In my opinion, there is not a % PH lower than 50%. Anything else, is a reach at best.

Dave

[RandyRemington]

I've done this cross several times. True, at the current prices it doesn't make much sense but when I started 100% het pied males where thousands of dollars. Also, with pied you have the het indicator bellies some of the time. Some don't put much stock in that but I do. I can't really prove anything yet as very few of my hold back het pied bally females have reached breeding size. Just last year I held back this girl who if you follow down her linage only is on paper a 12.5% chance het piebald.