looking for clarification on specific morph of BP breeding

[First_Phantom]

is the black pastel different from the cinnamon? i read that they are different somewhere and that they are the same somewhere else. if so how do i make a super black pastel?

can you breed snake relatives w/ eachother? like brothers and sisters, sons and moms ect? obviously this doesnt work to well with humans i know but i was just wondering about this.

[First_Phantom]

also in this vid YouTube - Panda Pied Ball Python by Outback Reptiles

is he saying to get a panda pied u need to breed 2 het pied black pastels together or a normal black pastel and a het pied black pastel together?

[Bluebead]

Black pastels are very similar to cinnamons but are considered a different mutation as they do slightly different things.

To get a panda pied both parents would have to have both a black pastel and a pied gene.
For breeding a black pastel het pied to a black pastel het pied, chances are only 1 in 16 of getting a panda pied.

[Enser54]

I do believe they are different. As for the snake in the video, they both need to be het pied.

[First_Phantom]

okay cool

i meant to say in the first post how do i make a black pastel not how do i make super black pastel.

[LadyOhh]

You need a Black Pastel to make more Black Pastels. That's all there is to it

Yes, you can breed siblings together.

[First_Phantom]

sry for the newb questions but how exactly did the first black pastel come about if theres not a certain way to breed to them? like was it just some random mutation from a pastel and a pastel? like some deformed super pastel? and now that were on that subjuct how did regualr old pastels come about? just some very rare deformation in a regular homozygous BP?

[Enser54]

All "originals" come from animals caught in the wild.

[Slim]

sry for the newb questions but how exactly did the first black pastel come about if theres not a certain way to breed to them? like was it just some random mutation from a pastel and a pastel? like some deformed super pastel? and now that were on that subjuct how did regualr old pastels come about? just some very rare deformation in a regular homozygous BP?

Whoa there Phantom, lets work on some of your terms. Morphs are mutations of the Wild Type or Normal BP. They are not deformities.

Black Pastels are a base morph. The first one was caught in the wild, and then bred to a Normal, and proven Co-dominant. Same for Pastels.

You might want to take a gander at this:

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=52847

[First_Phantom]

ahh okay. i really am a noob but im trying to learn alot lol

so if i may ask, what are all of the base morphs out there? i know now that black pastel, pastel jungle are two. and im assuming albino is one.