Which morphs are stabalizing, which are dropping?

[dizzy]

Which morphs do you predict are going to drop a little bit in price this year and which do you think are going to stay the same?

I'v heard that the albinos have stabalized so not to expect them to really ever go down... I've heard that pieds should be coming down a little big from the 08 hatchlings to the 09s... What are your opinions?

I've never bred anything yet, I doubt I will be able to until like 2010 lol. So my opinion doesn't mean much, but I'm thinking that most things will drop a little with the economy being what it is... Which really isn't a good thing, I know... But it works out well for my plans... That is, assuming hopefully the industry stays stable-ish in the long run...

I've been stocking up on female 08s and plan to pick up the male 09s so that they age out at approx the same time, because I'm hoping the 09s will be a little cheaper... Like I'm hoping to get an albino and a pied male 09 to breed to my fem 08 hets....

What I'm wondering about right now is the pinstripes... I just started paying for a fem pinstripe and after researching more on the possible combos for pins, I'm wondering if I should have gotten a pair from him or if I should wait and get an 09 pin. Hmm... Thoughts?

Thanks guys.

[dizzy]

I meant to post this in the "breeding" thread... If a mod reads this could you fix it for me? Thank you

[Mike Cavanaugh]

There is no such thing as a stabalizing morph. Unfortunately the prices for all of them will continue to drop to some degree.

[Brandon Osborne]

I don't think any are stabilizing. I think they are all going to continue to drop as long as they are being produced in large numbers. Four years ago Pieds were $4k on average, with low whites being around $3.5k and high whites getting as much as $5k. Now you can get a high white for around $2k. Albinos at the time were around $1k and now I've seen them as low as $375.....pastel males for $50. The only stabilization I see is the drop in prices. lol. Doesn't make any difference to me. I'll still keep them. I really feel sorry for those that spent $30k on mojos and YBs, for them to sell for only 1% of the price they paid. To me, that is as bad as Black Friday at the NYSX.

[dizzy]

There is no such thing as a stabalizing morph. Unfortunately the prices for all of them will continue to drop to some degree.

You really think so? Does that mean in 10 years Pieds will cost like $400 or something? That seems unfortunate. Not that I'm looking to breed to get rich, but I would like to make some money to sink back into the balls and hopefully other reptiles.

I've heard alot of people say that there's a point where they stop dropping. Alot of people say that the albino isn't going to get any cheaper than it is now... But I thought that meant $5-600... Where's one for $375??? Is it a male? lol

You really think that they're all going to keep dropping? I guess I better get started on combos. lol.

[Jyson]

I disagree about the albinos, I think they along with hypos, and possibly even axanthics are going to drop even more this year. I am already seeing some 08 albinos (some nice ones to boot) at 600.

As for which ones I think are "temporarily stabilizing." I would have to say the pied (long shot) and the lavendar albino (definitely) with the tons of pied combos that have just came out, it makes since that they may hold their prices better than others. And lav. albinos are starting to really show their potential, so I say they'll stay where they are for awhile as well.

Other than that I think some of the more common base morphs like spiders and black pastels are going to stay right where they are, atleast for this year.

One thing I think will be an interesting conversation, is do you think the prices on grade A pastels will increase? Why I ask this is because I have noticed that all the good pastels (grade A's) are being purchased like 25 min.s after the add goes up. Soo, with a high demand for them, is it possible that they will sustain their price range, and perhaps maybe even increase alil?

Just my

[Mitch21]

Jyson, I completely agree with you about the nice pastels... I feel like so many people are pumping out the more common co-doms (pastels, mojos...) and they're not selectively breeding them which creates a huge supply of mediocre co-doms. I think the Grade A pastels (or mojos) will definitely hold their value because of this...

I bought an 08 0.1 pastel this summer. I tried to find the most faded pastel possible. I love her but I would definitely just label her as an average looking pastel. She's held her colors fairly well but her dorsal scales are already starting to darken. Because of this, it's definitely caused me to want to find a grade A male pastel for some future selective breeding...

Don't get me wrong... I love all BPs but there's something really special about creating a beautiful selectively bred specimen!

[dizzy]

I disagree about the albinos, I think they along with hypos, and possibly even axanthics are going to drop even more this year. I am already seeing some 08 albinos (some nice ones to boot) at 600.

As for which ones I think are "temporarily stabilizing." I would have to say the pied (long shot) and the lavendar albino (definitely) with the tons of pied combos that have just came out, it makes since that they may hold their prices better than others. And lav. albinos are starting to really show their potential, so I say they'll stay where they are for awhile as well.

Other than that I think some of the more common base morphs like spiders and black pastels are going to stay right where they are, atleast for this year.

One thing I think will be an interesting conversation, is do you think the prices on grade A pastels will increase? Why I ask this is because I have noticed that all the good pastels (grade A's) are being purchased like 25 min.s after the add goes up. Soo, with a high demand for them, is it possible that they will sustain their price range, and perhaps maybe even increase alil?

Just my

Good points. I'm also seeing alot of pastel combos so by your theory that would also help a possible price increase on that... It makes sense to me.

Don't tell me pieds aren't going down! Pieds and clowns are the most expensive base morphs that I really want to add to my collection. Those are the ones I was expecting to drop! Of course if I can get my hands on them then It'll be nice to have some hope for a return on the investment so I have to be careful what I wish for.

[TooManyToys]

I disagree about the albinos, I think they along with hypos, and possibly even axanthics are going to drop even more this year. I am already seeing some 08 albinos (some nice ones to boot) at 600.

As for which ones I think are "temporarily stabilizing." I would have to say the pied (long shot) and the lavendar albino (definitely) with the tons of pied combos that have just came out, it makes since that they may hold their prices better than others. And lav. albinos are starting to really show their potential, so I say they'll stay where they are for awhile as well.

Other than that I think some of the more common base morphs like spiders and black pastels are going to stay right where they are, atleast for this year.

One thing I think will be an interesting conversation, is do you think the prices on grade A pastels will increase? Why I ask this is because I have noticed that all the good pastels (grade A's) are being purchased like 25 min.s after the add goes up. Soo, with a high demand for them, is it possible that they will sustain their price range, and perhaps maybe even increase alil?

Just my

I purchased an extremely nice 08 female albino 66% het for axanthic for $600. So yes, the price for albino's has dropped.

[nixer]

they will all go down and keep going down unless something raises the demand. also note that as the prices drop some demand will be gained by ppl that will not or can not afford 3k for a snake. this also has some to do with the economy and how bad breeders and deals have to sell or can they hold on to them. pieds will surely drop this year as will clowns. recessive traits hold because it takes longer to produce them in quantity and unless you have 2 visuals you typically will not get more than a few from a clutch. codoms and doms will go way down faster because of ease of production.

even if they are nice ones or not so nice ones they will all go down eventually thats part of supply and demand. some ppl just dont care what they get and some shop around for the nicest or the cheapest price.