Starting a line?

[Bettacreek]

So, I would like to breed piebalds eventually. I currently have 1 normal male and three normal females, all '08 hatches. The females are related, but the male is from another breeder. So, what I thought was, buy one piebald female, breed the normal male to her, then take one of their het babies, breed him to the mom, produce (hopefully) at least one pied male, then breed him to one (or more) of the three girls I have to produce some other hets. Does this sound efficient, and is the inbreeding to this extent ok? Thanks in advance.

[Freakie_frog]

why breed for hets take the Male Pied breed to female pied make all pieds Sale breeder hets and move on .

[NextWorldExotics]

You are better off getting a piebald male and breeding him to your 3 females and making 3 clutches of hets... then repeat the following year while waiting for the first year to grow up...

ex. (right now we are going into the 2008 - 2009 season, you can start anytime if you get adult females)

2009-2010 season

Piebald x 3 females = 12 eggs (i always figure low) = 6.6 hets (average) you keep 6 female hets and sell the males.

2010 - 2011 season

repeat, keep 6 more hets. Buy another unrelated Pied male (or use oringinal male, you should be fine).

2011- 2012 season

repeat with original male... either keep or sell 6 het females.

Breed new piebald male to 6 (or however many are ready to breed) het females. Lets say 4 go...

Piebald male x 4 het females = 16 eggs = 8 piebalds (statistically) keep or sell, but hold 1 male for following year, to breed to the 2010 - 2011 girls...

Over the course of this project you would end up with 3 Visual males and 12- 18 hets...

That is a piebald project!

If you buy the female, you will have 1 clutch in the first year and a lot of waiting to do! With a much lower chance of sucess.

[Bettacreek]

I thought I would have to wait until each female was three years old and one to two years for a male, that's why I assumed that it would be faster to use a pie female. I thought it would be like:
08-09 female pied purchased,
10-11 breed female pied to normal male, producing hopefully at least one male
12-13 breed het male back to female, producing half and half (again, hopefully at least one male pied)
14-15 breed pied male to normal females


But, now I see your point. Even if you cut a year off of each, I'd still be slower, and working with a lot more "hopeful" wishes than if I purchase a pied male. I would also be producing many more hets and pieds with a male starter. I would also possibly be "wasting" the three girls I have now, if they have problems producing a first clutch later in life like I read somewhere. Plus the fact that pied males are cheaper. Thanks.