Question on Pewters

[anendeloflorien]

Ok so after seeing some of the pictures of pewters/sterlings/silver bullets that have been floating around lately I'm totally going to be trying for some in a couple years. I had a couple of questions however. Is it true that you can make pewters from pastel X black pastel or is it only pastel x cinny? I can't really remember where I heard or read that black pastel would work (and I'm still kind of shaky on my genetics) but isn't that pretty close to a cinny at any rate? I only ask because at the last show I went to there was a table that had "black pastels" and cinnys right next to each other and I could hardly tell the difference but the black pastels were like $100 cheaper than the cinnies.

So sorry for another noob post lol but I just love the looks of these snakes and would love to make some myself someday ;D

[Beardedragon]

Yup, a pastel crossed with a black pastel or a cinny will make pewters. The only difference is the price and looks.

[anendeloflorien]

Yup, a pastel crossed with a black pastel or a cinny will make pewters. The only difference is the price and looks.

Cool cool, thanks! Now I know what to look for at the show comin up in October

[muddoc]

A Black Pastel and Pastel mix is typically called a Black Pewter, mostly to signify which line was used to create the animal. However, after you look at enough of them, you will notice that there is a difference in the Pewters made using Black Pastels and those made with Cinnys (you will also be able to distinguish the Black Pastel from the Cinny after training your eye). I wish I could say one was better than the other, but I like them both. I currently do not have any Black Pastel stock, but hope to change that in a couple months.

[anendeloflorien]

A Black Pastel and Pastel mix is typically called a Black Pewter, mostly to signify which line was used to create the animal. However, after you look at enough of them, you will notice that there is a difference in the Pewters made using Black Pastels and those made with Cinnys (you will also be able to distinguish the Black Pastel from the Cinny after training your eye). I wish I could say one was better than the other, but I like them both. I currently do not have any Black Pastel stock, but hope to change that in a couple months.

Hmmmm, do you know by any chance which breeders are workin on black pewters? I'd like to see what the differences are between the two. I'm sure if I had time I could look through all the old posts and find pictures but I'm at work lol. I do generally like the way the black pastels look on their own and I know of some of the discernable (sp?) differences between the two but if you stand a couple feet away from a cinny and a black pastel you really can't see much difference (at least the ones which I have seen). I am leaning towards getting a female cinny to pair with my pastel male in a year or two and if things work out right breeding wise I can hold back a male pewter to breed back to her a year or maybe two after to try for sterlings.

[Spaniard]

Next World Exotics has pictures of some black pewters in the for sale section of this site.

[anendeloflorien]

Next World Exotics has pictures of some black pewters in the for sale section of this site.

I looked through there but I didn't see any specifically listed as "black pewters" I saw the black pastel they had up for sale. Definitely a nice looking morph but I'm still leaning more towards the cinnie for this project

[Spaniard]

Here you go

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...89&postcount=2

[anendeloflorien]

WOAH....... Just when I think I've got it all figured out NWE has to come along with this




GRRRRrrrrr...... well I could always get both......... dang it all.....

I wonder how they hold up as they get older, I know that normal pewters do brown out quite a bit but shouldn't the black pastel influence cause it to be a much darker shade? Now I've really got some thinking to do. I've only got one open tub in my rack right now so if I did both I'd have to set something else up (or just bite the bullet and get another rack since I know I'm gonna need it soon anyways)

Thanks alot lol!

[muddoc]

I am leaning towards getting a female cinny to pair with my pastel male in a year or two and if things work out right breeding wise I can hold back a male pewter to breed back to her a year or maybe two after to try for sterlings.

Just remember that if you pair your Pewter male back to your Cinny girl, you will not get Sterlings, but rather you will get Silver Bullets (if you're lucky). Also, you may want to get a Cinny and make Pewters, and also get some Black Pastels to mix in with the Cinnys. Cinnys and Black Pastels are compatible and will produce an all black snake when bred together. Just some more food for thought to help make your decision even harder (sorry for that).