Super Cinnamon x

[Royal Tartan]

ok , trying to get my head aound a a possible cross ...

Super Cinnamon x Cinnamon gets ya ( with luck ) supers and cinnies .

what would Super Cinnamon x Black Pastel get ? Or is it not done / been done ?

I was kinda assuming the Black Pastel would behave he same way as a cinnamon , now Im not so sure !!

[coldbloodaddict]

Super Cinny x Black Pastel will produce more Supers.

[Royal Tartan]

Super Cinny x Black Pastel will produce more Supers.

cool that is what I originally thought !!! supers and B pastels

thank you

[dr del]

Hi,

Actually wouldn't it be supers and cinamons?

All the offspring would be cinamons because of the super and each one also stands a 50% chance of being a black pastel which would make it a super.

So no black pastels could come from the clutch at all.

Better breed the lil guy to something else as well - black pastel females would let you shoot for the even darker supers in the future after all.


dr del

[Royal Tartan]

Hi,

Actually wouldn't it be supers and cinamons?

All the offspring would be cinamons because of the super and each one also stands a 50% chance of being a black pastel which would make it a super.

So no black pastels could come from the clutch at all.

Better breed the lil guy to something else as well - black pastel females would let you shoot for the even darker supers in the future after all.


dr del

ach mon !! it was all going so well there pmsl. Im not getting my head round the fact no B Pastels in clutch !!

surely there would be B Pastels ? if you take say ... for example

Super Cinnamon X Cinnamon , you would get 50% Super Cinnamons, 50% Cinnamons

the only diff we would have is instead of Cinny were using a BP.

I am assuming not all the genes are gonna fall in perfect line ( achieving Supers ) some wont line up , thus the fact you would get BPs ( or cinnys , if ya were using that instead )

My original reason for asking was that we were told that S Cinny x B Pastel would NOT produce S Cinny in the clutch at all . Which I thought was wrong , it would . Soooooooooo ( lol ) in conclusion , you'e both ( post above you Derek ) saying it would only produce Supers ?

Rite , whuars ra coffee pot !!!

[BrucenBruce]

No Tartan, the Doc's got the right of it.

If you bred your super cinnamon to a normal, all the babies would be cinnamons. Breeding to a black pastel, they'll still all be cinnies, but the ones who get the black pastel gene as well as the cinnamon will be visual supers.

HTH!

~Bruce

[Beardedragon]

Look at it this way

You breed a super cinny to a normal, you get all cinnys.

You breed a super cinny to a black pastel, any snake that was going to be a black pastel, now has a cinny making it a super. any other will only have the one cinny gene and be a cinny. So all the black pastels in the clutch would be turned into a eight ball. make sense?

Edit: WOw bruce we think alike :p you beat me to the punch!

[bait4snake]

What happens when you breed a Cinny to a Black Pastel? Do you get a 1/4 chance of a Solid black snake? And if you bred that solid black snake to a normal, would you get 1/2 Cinny and 1/2 Black Pastel?

Is it like breeding a Lesser to a Butter, where you still get a 1/4 chance of a solid white snake, but if you breed it to a normal you get Lessers and Butters?

[dr del]

Hi,

You got it in one Ken.

Now for the fun bit - super black pastels are supposedly a lot darker than super cinamons so is the super produced from both lines somewhere in the middle?

And how easily can you pick out the various supers if you pair two cinamon/Black pastel supers together? In theory there would be super cinnies, super black pastels and combo supers.

**edit**

Actually thinking about it I think I'm wrong about the mixture - anyone with more knowledege want to correct me on it please?

**end edit**


Would be a facinating project to play out over seven years or so I think.


dr del

[Beardedragon]

Hi,

You got it in one Ken.

Now for the fun bit - super black pastels are supposedly a lot darker than super cinamons so is the super produced from both lines somewhere in the middle?

And how easily can you pick out the various supers if you pair two cinamon/Black pastel supers together? In theory there would be super cinnies, super black pastels and combo supers.

**edit**

Actually thinking about it I think I'm wrong about the mixture - anyone with more knowledege want to correct me on it please?

**end edit**


Would be a facinating project to play out over seven years or so I think.


dr del

It would be super easy If you bred a cinny/black to a cinny/black together, you would only get cinny/black supers. You could not get a mix between super cinnys and super blacks, because the super would give both genes to said snake.