66% Possible Het. VPI Axanthic and Albino (VPI Snow) 600-800g

[piebald_ks]

What do I get if I have a 1.1 breeding pair for 66% VPI Axanthic and Albino? What would the odds be of getting a snow?

If I breed an offspring to a DH albino/pie what would I get?

[Beardedragon]

Id think breeding 66% dhs would be very risky, there are four genes all together and more than likely youd get either albinos or pieds, and if you were very lucky snows. Or one might be a normal and only get normals het for who knows. Your best bet would to get a few 66% dh females and a 100% het male to up your odds.

[RandyRemington]

First I'd have to ask for more detail about exactly what "66% VPI Axanthic and Albino" means?

If it's like my male who's parents where both 100% double hets for vpi snow then they each have a 66% chance of being het for axanthic and a separate independent 66% chance of being het for albino. It's hard to know what to call these but it works out to a combined chance of 4/9 (about 44%) of being double het for the components to make VPI snow. It's a glass half full thing but a few years ago when I bought my male I thought he was a steal because he is also only a 1/9 (about 11%) chance of being completely normal. Odds are from a reputable breeder that you would have something in that pair (only 1/81 or about 1% that both are completely normal) and they should be very reasonably priced. But as the other poster pointed out if you can afford to nail down the male side with a for sure double het (and they might also be pretty reasonable by now, I've not been keeping track) you might want to do that as it really increases your odds.

So, if the pair is what I think they are (the normal looking offspring from breeding a pair of for sure double hets) then your odds of them both being double hets is 16/81 (about 20%) so not great. And even if they are both double hets you then have to hit the 1 in 16 odds per egg to produce a snow.

But, if the price is right and you can't do better (by buying a known double het male) then you could look at it that producing snow would be the icing on the cake but odds are good that you will at least be able to produce something. There is a 4/9 chance that both are het axanthic and a separate 4/9 chance that both are het albino. That leaves only a 25/81 (about 31%) chance that they aren't both het for at least one of the same genes. So there is only about 31% chance that the pair will not be capable of producing a visible of some type (either albino or axanthic) and a 69% chance that they can. Of course you still have to hit the 1 in 4 on the eggs but again, if the price is right and you can't afford to improve your odds it could be a lot of fun.

[Morph Addict]

Also! Remember that if you were to breed known hets you still aren't certain that you'd get an albino, axanthic, or a snow. You could produce all normal looking animals. This would drive me NUTTS! not knowing "for sure" whether or not my animals were het for anything.... Genes can be a headahce, and I guess what I am saying is that even if you don't hit the odds, try again the year after to "be sure" even though technically you could miss the odds twice. And wouldn't it suck to sell a het for snow female as a normal thinking she wasn't a gene carrier! Wow I am worried sick and its not even my project! Best of luck to you my friend, I really hope you beat the odds and produce some illmatic morphs.

[Beardedragon]

Id think breeding 66% dhs would be very risky, there are four genes all together and more than likely youd get either albinos or pieds, and if you were very lucky snows. Or one might be a normal and only get normals het for who knows. Your best bet would to get a few 66% dh females and a 100% het male to up your odds.

Axanthics not pieds...what am i thinking!

[Gloryhound]

If you are looking to play some Vegas odds possible hets are not the best to start with. If you like playing the slot machines in Vegas possible hets could prove to be fun. You could get a female and a male that are both possible het for VPI snow and breed them together and possibly get an Albino or Axanthic then again all the babies could come out looking normal. Then what do you do? Some of the babies are probably just that Normal. Some of them might have this gene or that, but you could put a lot of years into different breeding combos just to find out you started with 2 normals! It is best to get a known 100% double het and breeding it to a normal if you are trying to save money. At least playing this way you know you have both genes! Now it would be fun to take a known double het and breeding it with some possible double hets. Even if they only have one of the two genes you have a 25% chance of seeing it on the first breeding for each egg.

[RandyRemington]

But if you don't play at all, you can't produce anything.

I saw a 100% double het Jolliff snow male in the classifieds and it looks like they are still pretty pricey.

Maybe get the possible double het pair now. Presumably the male will be almost given away and the pair price will be for the female (can’t remember how much I paid for my possible double het male but it was years ago and it was already cheep). Then in a year or two when the possible double het female is getting big you might be able to upgrade to a 100% double het male when prices come down. Males mature much faster than females and even if you do have to use the possible het male the first year you will soon be able to increase your odds with a for sure double het male.

Your chance of not having the genes to produce at least one or the other (albino or axanthic if not snow) when you nail down one side with a for sure double het male would be only 1 in 9 so an 89% chance of getting something first generation. Then you can keep breeding that male or an unrelated replacement to extra generations of possible double het females.