help me persuade my mom to seperate the bps

[k1ingdomKaa]

I have 2 bps in 1 tank. my mom is saying there fine, how can i persuade her? i baught an extra uth just because i knew they wouldnt belong in the same cage.


mery christmas!

[Thunder Kat]

have her read posts on this forum and print a few care sheets for her. they do need to be separated other wise one of them (the smaller one) will probably die. even if the dominate one doesn't eat or starve the smaller one, you won't know which one (if one does) regurgitates, poos, ect. if you don't separate them then you'll just end up stressing the snakes and you. best of luck with your new friends.

[NightLad]

Hi there,

If she has not responded to your statements about BP care needs, than appeal to her bank-account. Emphasize the health risks to the snakes by keeping them housed together, and the expense of vet bills that can easily be avoided by simply investing a fraction of the cost in a separate enclosure setup now.

It is the equivalent of letting your kids run around under-clothed in the winter, only to become seriously ill and require expensive hospitalization, verses buying them a winter jacket. That’s kind of a no-brainer, right? Same thing for the proper care of the snakes. The trick is getting her to see it like that.

Some points to mention:

- Housed together will cause the snakes to experience stress when competing for a favored hide, and space in general. This can affect their overall health in refusing to eat, potentially becoming aggressive, etc.
- If the snakes are unsexed, then you may experience an unwanted pregnancy.
- Illness’ can be shared between the snakes very easily, resulting in double the costly vet bills. This includes parasites, viral infections, as well as mites.
- It can be harder to determine what snake is ill, or what snake became ill first, making it harder to treat them properly.
- If ill, you won’t be able to properly collect a fecal for examination, not knowing which snake it came from.
- If there is a size difference between the snakes, you risk cannibalism.

Those are some points, although I’m sure there are more. Mix your points between the advantage of separating them now for financial reasons (vet bills, etc) as well as the overall health of the animals.

When discussing these things with her…
-Remember to keep your points focused. Don’t get sidetracked on arguments that have nothing to do with the topic.
- Don’t make analogies that won’t resonate with her. You know your mother better than I do, so hit on the points she can understand and will agree with the most.
- Don’t become frustrated by her initial refusal. Oftentimes you have to ease people into new ways of thinking gradually. Instead of setting out to bombard her with information all at once while trying to force her to instantly change her mind, try dropping some facts now and then, gradually building to a full (and calm) conversation.
- Expose her to the snakes more often to include her in their world. If she feels that she has a vested interest in the animals, even as a link to you through them, she may feel more understanding when it comes to wanting to offer them the best (proper!) care.

Hope this helps!

[frankykeno]

One of the biggest issues I'm seeing here is you got one snake, then another a couple of weeks later and you're housing them together immediately. Housing communally isn't a good idea ever but doing this means you've done no quarantine with the new snake at all. Even housed seperately you need to follow quarantine procedures anytime a new snake comes into your home, even if it's from the same source. You have no idea what either snake has been exposed to. To toss another snake into the tank of the first snake is playing with fire, and in the end the snake's will pay the greatest price (though your mother may well if she has to foot any vet bills).

[rabernet]

Quick question - did you ask your mom about two different enclosures BEFORE you decided to add another snake? Since you know that communal housing is not good for either snake, I'm a bit confused why you went ahead and got a second one, especially since you didn't have a second enclosure set up and running for quarantine?

[k1ingdomKaa]

I asked her she said no, i baught another uth just incase, and i have them seperated now.

[bcampos]

One of the biggest issues I'm seeing here is you got one snake, then another a couple of weeks later and you're housing them together immediately. Housing communally isn't a good idea ever but doing this means you've done no quarantine with the new snake at all. Even housed seperately you need to follow quarantine procedures anytime a new snake comes into your home, even if it's from the same source. You have no idea what either snake has been exposed to. To toss another snake into the tank of the first snake is playing with fire, and in the end the snake's will pay the greatest price (though your mother may well if she has to foot any vet bills).

+1....

Man you were just asking on the chat board the other day if anyone wanted to "give you" another snake. What's your deal? It sounds to me like you are digging your own hole. Why dont you plan what you are doing before jumping in and getting more snakes. Instead of convincing your mom that you have to do something, you should have thought about it before grabing another one. Sounds pretty careless on your part, not your mothers.


Here are some of your own recent posts:
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regarding posting in the sales forum
Views: 102 Posted By k1ingdomKaa
regarding posting in the sales forum

I seem to not have permission to post in the sales forum... this is a big issue as i am looking to buy another snake!
please help!

Thnks
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Found a rly weird site....
Views: 177 Posted By k1ingdomKaa
Re: Found a rly weird site....

I know! im snatching a few i think!
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New Baby, Finally adding pics!
Views: 312 Posted By k1ingdomKaa
Re: New Baby, Finally adding pics!

what if i take it to a breeder? can they do it for me for free, if i buy a snake from em or sumthin? cuz i wanna buy another snake. opposite sex. so that i can breed!!
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It just seems to me that you are being a bit reckless here. No quarantine on a new snake? You've already lost your first snake from falling asleep with it. You've mentioned that you lost a boa this past summer that you have not recovered. And now you want to buy more, breed, post in the sale/purchase forum???

But you need your Mom's permission to separate the snakes.

Errrrr.....

[bcampos]

Plus, 2 weeks ago you were posting as a newb BP owner with basic husbandry questions. You wanted to know a cheap way out of a thermostat, and that it was too expensive.

So 2 weeks ago you knew nothing, and now, a whole 2 weeks later, you want to breed?

[Monty]

hes just trying to flip real quick and it aint gonna work out to well for him

[k1ingdomKaa]

nahh, im just not gonna go out and buy a bunch of :cens0r:. THAT WAS 2 WEEKS AGO, i make money online with my freelancing website, logoes.biz i told my mom that we needed to switch them and shes fine with it now. and yea eventually im going to breed em. but not in the near future. i have everything under control now, and i was thinking about getting a few but 2 is enough. thanks for the bash.
it wasnt rly my moms permission, she just didnt wanna go and get another tub. and thought they were lonely alone. it wasnt a fight to get her to understand.