Pair of Hets Question (Bad Luck)

[zx92027xz]

I am looking to get 1.1 het pied 06-07s...

I know the percentages, 25% should be actual pied, of the offspring. right?

but i was wondering, just for the sake of wondering, if anyone has any real bad beat stories where you've bred your hets only to get all normal looking babies, at only POSSIBLE het for pied (or albino, gen stripe etc.)

I am fairly set on my decision. I already have 1.1 spiders and 1.1 pastels. I wanted to Bumblebee, and I'll be getting it down the line. My second favorite was the Pied, and its not even a matter of selling it. i wanna keep it. forever. and ever. i wanna know if anyone has been like yay i got my clutch and waited and waited, only to find out your dream is not in there.

[Moriar]

dems da breaks when it comes to genetics and pos hets.

[juddb]

dems da breaks when it comes to genetics and pos hets.

Agreed, you just have to keep trying every season.

[hoo-t]

First, make absolutely sure to get your hets from a trustworthy source! The only thing that would suck worse than not hitting the odds, would be to not hit the odds because your hets aren't hets!

It certainly does happen that the odds don't work in your favor. My only clutch of bps this season was a pastel to a normal. I got 1 pastel and 3 normal babies. I didn't strike out, but I didn't hit the odds. I also didn't do so hot on clutches overall. I bred six females, and only got one clutch. (Although one has been showing some signs here recently!)

Steve

[ladywhipple02]

It's true... it happens. Go on some of the big breeder's websites and take a look around. Sometimes they hit big, sometimes they hit nothing. That's why it's a 25% CHANCE. It's a gamble everytime you play.


That's why you really have to love the game

[J.Vandegrift]

My worst clutch this year was from a pair Het lavenders that I paid a ton of money for in early 05(a ton of money to me at least). She had six follicles developing but did not ovulate until after my other eggs from other normal females bred to the same het male had already hatched. It ended up being about 4 1/2 months from the last copulation to ovulation and I ended up with 5 slugs and 1 good egg. That egg ended up hatching out a 66% het lavender MALE. I was hoping to at least get a poss het female out of it.

I also had 5 het albino x het albino eggs hatch that were all normals as well as my pair of het pieds that gave me 3 slugs and one boob egg that is just about to hatch but is not a pied. Overall a pretty crappy year for me with hets. All of my normal females did great for me though so I have a lot of Poss het females to raise up.

This is the pic of the boob egg that should be hatching in a couple days. The total egg weight is only 40g so I am expecting the baby to be less than 20g. (Bottom right egg)

[nevohraalnavnoj]

If you breed a pair of hets from now until infinity and average everything out, I can guarantee you'll get 1/4 homozygous :-) Other than that, you're on your own. For example, if you over three years you had three clutches of 6 eggs each, then your odds of NOT getting a pied would be:

[(.75)^6]^3=.0056, so after three years you have a .56% chance of not having produced a Pied. If you're that unlucky, I'd stay away from any gambling whatsoever.

JonV

[zx92027xz]

good points all. thanks for the input.

that is a sad looking clutch there. i used to breed my corns, and i remember my first clutch ever was literally almost thrown away by my mom while i was away for a week, because she thought they were all dead.

turned out i had 8 perfectly healthy hatchlings. haha

good times.



another thing im worried about is not being able to find a buyer for all the snakes. . . i am in no way a big breeder, ill have 3 pairs and maybe throw a few normal females in there to get some pastels and spiders... but is there market strong enough for me to not have to worry about being stuck with too many snakes? ( i wouldnt mind it personally, but my family is keeping the snakes while im stuck in the dorms. )

[PythonWallace]

On the other hand you could get really lucky. There was the post on here about a het x poss. het pied breeding that produced pieds, and I know a lady who raised up a het albino male and a 50% poss. het female and bred them for the fist time in the '06 - '07 season. The 4 good eggs hatched out 2 weeks ago and all 4 were albinos. Those stories along with the impossible hypo clutch convinced me to definately pick up a trio or two of hets and poss hets at this year's NARBC. I'm hoping prices will be dropped on lavender albino and clown hets this year.

[ReptileEmpire]

Over the long term my odds per clutch have actually been a little better than normal. I've rarely hatched a single clutch that matched the odds though. I usually get a really good clutch or a not so good one. I have had clutches from an albino to het that didn't produce any visuals, and I have had some that produce almost all visuals.

I've actually had very good luck with possible hets, over the last 5 years I have bred 23 possible hets that were mostly 50%'s and of them 18 have proven out. But most of them I had produced myself, so I knew for sure they were actual possible hets. The breeder you get your hets from really matters, I have several "100% hets" from TSE that proved out to not be hets.