so from what i understand.....

[adi]

hey so thanks again for all the info....if you guys dont mind can u tlel me if what im listing now is correct form the knowledge ive gained tonight?

bumble x bumble = bumble because they are both homozygous

bumble x normal (wild type)= 25% normal 25% pastel 25% spider 25 bumble

albino x normal= het albino because the albino is recessive. normal has albino gene although it looks liek a normal

het x het = 25% normal 25 % homo 50% hets.

thanks!

[xdeus]

Almost... a Bumble Bee isn't homozygous but rather a double codom (or codom/dom). So if you breed a Bumble to a Bumble you will get normals, pastels, super pastels, spiders, and Killer Bees (Super pastel/spider).

[TheAudOne]

Almost... a Bumble Bee isn't homozygous but rather a double codom (or codom/dom). So if you breed a Bumble to a Bumble you will get normals, pastels, super pastels, spiders, and Killer Bees (Super pastel/spider).

I cant help but fantasize about how awesome it would be to have all of those babies and morphs in one clutch.....that would blow my mind.

[adi]

i was just thig the same thing!

[xdeus]

Oh, I forgot one... MORE BUMBLEBEES!

[hoo-t]

Almost... a Bumble Bee isn't homozygous but rather a double codom (or codom/dom). So if you breed a Bumble to a Bumble you will get normals, pastels, super pastels, spiders, and Killer Bees (Super pastel/spider).

You should also get homozygous spiders, and homozygous spider bumblebees. But you wouldn't be able to tell by looking at them which spiders are homozygous and which are het.

adi, to get all bumblebees all the time, you would need a homozygous spider and a super pastel.

Steve

[elevatethis]

het x het = 25% normal 25 % homo 50% hets.

25% homozygous, the rest are 66% poss hets

You can't tell for sure since only 2 out of 3 normal appearing animals from this cross will actually be true hets. Therefore, we call them 66% poss hets due to those 2/3 odds.

[xdeus]

You should also get homozygous spiders, and homozygous spider bumblebees. But you wouldn't be able to tell by looking at them which spiders are homozygous and which are het.

adi, to get all bumblebees all the time, you would need a homozygous spider and a super pastel.

Well, I left that out because as far as I know the homozygous spider hasn't been proven... unless you know something I don't?

[elevatethis]

Well, I left that out because as far as I know the homozygous spider hasn't been proven... unless you know something I don't?

At this point, it is probably safe to say that there is no "super" version of a spider, but that doesn't mean that a spider can't be a homozygous carrier of the gene. Its certainly possible, but the spider in question won't look any different than a heterozygous spider. You would basically prove it out through a breeding program.

Don't be confused either by using the terms homozygous and heterozygous with dominant/co-dominant genes. Some people were confused about the whole "heterozygous pastel" thing in thinking I was referring to "het pastels" as if it were a recessive trait. We are talking about dominant genes here.

[hoo-t]

At this point, it is probably safe to say that there is no "super" version of a spider, but that doesn't mean that a spider can't be a homozygous carrier of the gene. Its certainly possible, but the spider in question won't look any different than a heterozygous spider. You would basically prove it out through a breeding program.

Don't be confused either by using the terms homozygous and heterozygous with dominant/co-dominant genes. Some people were confused about the whole "heterozygous pastel" thing in thinking I was referring to "het pastels" as if it were a recessive trait. We are talking about dominant genes here.

Thanks, Brad.

Further, if spider is true dominant, it won't be proven until proven with DNA mapping. A homozygous spider will throw all spiders. But it is POSSIBLE for a heterozygous spider to throw all spiders (however unlikely it might be). I'm too lazy to go look, but was it EClark that posted he has a male spider that threw all spiders this year? He can be reasonably sure that its homozygous, but can't call it proven. If it throws all spiders next year, he can be darn sure, but still not proven. I wanted to ask him if he knew the parentage, but I didn't do it.

Steve