A Baby Ball on the way! I can't wait!!!

[rjks325]

Hi everyone, my name is Rachel and I'm from Texas. Just about everything I've read has said to not buy a captive hatched animal....but what about a captive hatched from a respected breeder? I will be getting a 4 month old little CH from the Snake Keeper. They seem to be reeeeally nice and extremely knowledgeable. What is anybody else's take on the subject?

Thanks people,

Rach

[wildlifewarrior]

That seems more like captive bred if it is comming from The Snake Keeper. Captive hatched is when they take pregnant females from the wild, let them lay their eggs and then release the females. so technically it is still a wild animal and there is still a strain on wild populations. Captive bred means that the individual was bred from two captive individuals. Often times in today's day and age they too are captive bred. Hope this helps!


wildlifewarrior

[Sapphire7]

When you say captive hatch do you mean the people bred two snakes and hatch the eggs? Because you did mention breeder... Well if someone breeds two snakes and gets eggs and babies its ok. But w/c they can have problems and its just not good to buy them because it promotes the petrade to ship more snakes out of their wildlife into captivity thus reducing populations in the wild.

[ECLARK]

Captive hatched ball pythons do fine after they become established feeders.and become good pets and breeders.

sapphire 7 , if there were no imported ball pythons, there would be NO ball python morphs.

[sidhe]

I would think as long as it's eating regularly, you should be fine. Like ECLARK said.

[Adam_Wysocki]

its just not good to buy them because it promotes the petrade to ship more snakes out of their wildlife into captivity thus reducing populations in the wild.

Ball pythons are an internationally regulated species ... their wild populations are closely monitored and their export is controlled via permits and quotas ... Their wild populations are not in any danger.

-adam

[wildlifewarrior]

Captive Hatched are from wild parents the mother is wild (i hear they collect them by setting fire to the area) the babies would otherwise be wild except they get shipped to the US or wherever. Captive bred is the parents are "pets" already and by buying these babies from prev established "pets" then the need for importing wild caught and captive hatched babies is decreased, therefore wild populations won't suffer.

Just because their numbers are "regulated" adam doesn't mean that it doesn't cause stress on the ecology of their home range, causing an increase in prey items, and or a decrease in higher predator numbers.

wildlifewarrior

[Adam_Wysocki]

i hear they collect them by setting fire to the area

That's compelte cr@p.

Just because their numbers are "regulated" adam doesn't mean that it doesn't cause stress on the ecology of their home range, causing an increase in prey items, and or a decrease in higher predator numbers.

Well, I can say with great certainty that in the case of ball pythons, you don't know what you're talking about. Due to ruralization, ball pythons have been and currently are exploding in population in West Africa and if they were not exported in the numbers that they are they would need to be hunted and killed.

Members of the "Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species" (or "CITES") as well as the governments of the West African nations that p. regius is native to survey and monitor ball pythons and the ecosystems in which they live to make sure there is a balance between the commercial farming and natural existance of ball pythons.

-adam

[wildlifewarrior]

Well i would have to say that P. regius isn't on the top of CITES' lists for having monitoring programs, when they have 2/3 of all amphibians in the world in decline. I did look over the number of allowed exports for bp's in the various countries in Africa on CITES, and there are a much larger number being farm raised than collected from the wild, now do you know if that means farm raised like they do gators here in the US, where a certain number of hatchlings are returned to the wild to generate a percentage of clutch survivorship, or does farm raised mean that they have thousands of adults housed that they use for breeding? If you have any articles on this or on any of the CITES regulations i would love to read up on it. Everybody's gotta learn somewhere


wildlifewarrior

[Adam_Wysocki]

Well i would have to say that P. regius isn't on the top of CITES' lists for having monitoring programs

Are you stating this as a fact or are you guessing?

-adam