Breeding loan

[denowt]

Just thinking for the future as my females are not breedable size yet, but does anyone here do breeding loans for, say, albino, pastel, or pied balls. If so, how does this arrangement normally work? I have 1.2 '06 normals and am looking to get into albino, pastel, and pied ball breeding as quick/inexpensive as possible. Pastel, then albino, leading to pied, spider, etc. would probably be the more likely route though due to the cost of the morphs. I would be willing to keep a 1.1 pair of whatever hets are produced, allowing the morph owner to keep whatever else is produced(2 females approx. 10 hatchlings), or is there normally a set rate for "stud fee".
Just pulling comparisons from the dog world. My brother has gotten the pick of the litter for his males stud fee or vice versa when another male bred his female. Just wondering if the snake world has a similar "unwritten code" about breeding.

Like I said, all this will be at least two years from now. I just trying to figure out how much, if any, money I need to start saving for this.
My original plan was to breed the 1.2 normals I have now, sell the hatchlings, use that money to buy a pastel male and repeat, acquiring a new morph each year. By getting morph hets the first time though, I could skip the normal hatchling phase, eliminating 2-3 years of the process.

Sorry for the long post

[daniel1983]

If you do a search for 'breeding loan' on this site, you will get a bunch of threads about this The search function can be a very helpful tool.

Here is a good thread concerning breeding loans:
http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=30051

[denowt]

Sounds like the norm is to ship off the females to the male owner, and the male owner to incubate/hatch the eggs. Does this sound about right?

Also, is there anyone close to south central Texas interested in this in about 2 years? I live south of Austin/San Antonio, north of Victoria. I'm not really interested in shipping my snakes off, so a drive to meet type of thing would be more comfortable. Again, this would be 2-3 years from now, as my females are '06s.

[daniel1983]

2 years is a long long time......

[denowt]

Yeah, I know. I just like to plan things out as much as possible though. I'm in the process of buying a new house, so any excess money will hopefully be going toward mortgage payment soon. In order to expand my snake collection it will have to somewhat support itself. I have a normal male to breed when they are ready, but obviously morph or het morph hatchlings would be worth more than normals, thus growing the snake fund quicker.

[McAdry]

Actually it's not the male to the female that is moved per say, I wuold suggest that the snake or snakes moved be the ones with the lesser Value you can look up our breeding contract thead on this site.Along with that i would advise the snake or snake's moved go to the person or preson's invovled in the Loan with the most breeding expericence and the facilties to make the whole process easier on all paties and snake's Invovled.

[Ginevive]

My advice would be, buy a pastel male. They are really affordable now, and my plan is to get a apstel male; breed it to my 2 females (3, in a few years) and sell off the babies to get a spider male.

[Cubby23]

Not to pop anyones bubble but 06 pastel males only sell for $275 -$400 shipped. If you have 06 females they could breed fall 08. The summer 2009 hatchlings are not gonna be worth much, because the morph is a codom and so many can be produced. I would get a het for a recessive trait pair, or atleast a male. This route has alot more stability imo. I think it is a little late if you are gonna try to make a couple bucks in 3 years back w/ 06 females and male pastels.

[avdnco]

Not to pop anyones bubble but 06 pastel males only sell for $275 -$400 shipped. If you have 06 females they could breed fall 08. The summer 2009 hatchlings are not gonna be worth much, because the morph is a codom and so many can be produced. I would get a het for a recessive trait pair, or atleast a male. This route has alot more stability imo. I think it is a little late if you are gonna try to make a couple bucks in 3 years back w/ 06 females and male pastels.

And how much do het. for anything Males go for? How easy is it for an unknown to sell hets and possible hets? Let's be realistic-
At least with pastel you'd have some visables. They are also quite valuable when you think of all the mix and match possibilities. Even if they are one of the cheapest out there, pastels are needed. And certainly a quicker way to build a foundation.

[denowt]

That's kind of what I'm worried about. One idea I had was to get a het albino male, making the offspring w/ a normal female 50% het albino. Keep all the females, breed them back to the het male, and sell the 50% possible het albino males. But I would buy a 100%, much less 50% het anything from an unknown breeder for more than the price of a normal. At least a pastel should be easier to sell as an unknown breeder.