Do you agree with me or her? ( long )

[amg20102006]

Me - Oh just to let you know I would seperate all of your snakes that are in that one huge cage

Me- if one gets sick they most likely all will if contaigious and the ule is one snake per cage

Her - wich one

Me - the one with the balls and the carpet pytthons

Her - never hade a problem

Me - I know but they should be seperated

Her - they are a pythons so its ok

Me - I hate to see more than one snake in a cage unless it is for breeding purposes

Her - all

Me - no its not okay

Me - Just because they are pythons doesnt make it okay

Her - who are youanyway

Me - 2 ball pythons shouldnt even share the smae cage

Me - im Andre

Her - your not an expert

Her - ask Jim

Me - I know but i read about it all the time

Me - Jim only has them together because its a pet store and for him to make them all a seperate cage it is a waste of money because they arnt being kept as pets

Her - just cause a book says so dosent mean that thats the only way you can do it

Me - I know and i read it online from alot of people and alot of the BIG breeders say one snake a cage

Her - ask him if its ok and he'll say yes

Her - im not a breeder

Me - ask who

Her - jim

Me - Well he is WRONG

Her - remember that there are different ways to do things

Me - I know

Me - but housing them all in the same cage is not the right way to do it

Her - what works for me works

Me - there is the right and then there is the wrong nd right now ur balls are in the wrong because they should have the same cage

Her - says who!!!!!!!!!!!

Me - I know but they also need different requirments

Me - whta do you mean says who?

Her - they all can thrive in the setup they are in

Me - They can but they shouldnt

Me - be house together

Her - it works

Me - I no it works but its not right for the snake as ball pythons and carpet pythons probably wouldnt even meet in the wild

Her - my snakes wouldnt be alive in the wild they are captive bred

Me - I know

Her - this is what theyre used to

Me - no they arent

Her - should i freak them out by separating them

Her - theyer used to eachother

Me - you wont freak them out just let them settle into their own home

Me - i no they are but they could also eat eachother one time someones ball was missing whnen they had to in a cage and then one dided and the cut it open and the other one was in side it

Me - I would just seperate them

Her - they have been together for 3 years that would have happened already

Me - Not neccisarley

Me - http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...ght=snake+cage

Me - read that

Her - dont tell me how to house mine and i wont tell you how to house yours ok

Me - i no but i hate going into your herp room and seing them like that

Her - then dont

Her - not being mean im just saying

Me - I am not trying to be mean or anything but neither of us are experts

Me - I take advice from breeders that hatch thousands of balls a year

Me - well not just balls snakes

Her - just cause someone else says its right doesnt mean its right for me

Me - Yes it is right for you its right for everyone I dont like it when people mistreat their snakes


By the way Jim is a guy that owns a mom and pop store here where I live. I tried to explain to her about keeping them seperate but it didnt work. Who do you think is wrong?

[Diceman]

Shes wrong...shes under the impression her snakes are dogs who love eachother and would be upset if seperated...when will people learn your snake doesnt love you?

Good luck convincing her though just keep your cool whenever you try people take advice better when the person isent being a jerk lol

Is she a member of this forum? If not try to get her on some of these forums maybe if she reads enough about it she will change her mind

[The Cannibal Monkey]

I definately agree with you, and I think most of the people on this forum would also...shrugging something off just because "it hasn't happened yet" is a very ignorant excuse when it comes to the safety of animals. Just because my dog hasn't gotten hit by a car yet doesn't mean I'm just going to let him run free on the streets...hopefully she'll check out the forums and change her mind.

[Adam_Wysocki]

You two should settle it old school style ... have a break dance battle! ... the winner would be "right" and the loser would be "wrong" ... that would be da bomb yo!

-adam

[Jeanne]

You two should settle it old school style ... have a break dance battle! ... the winner would be "right" and the loser would be "wrong" ... that would be da bomb yo!

-adam

OMG ROFL...... I can picture it now!Sounds like an old show I use to watch as a kid but for the life of me, cant remember the name of it.

[mr~python]

You two should settle it old school style ... have a break dance battle! ... the winner would be "right" and the loser would be "wrong" ... that would be da bomb yo!

ROFL!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHA!!!!! and how old are you Adam? LOL

[srozell]

Often being right, isn't.


I'll try not to come accross as preachy, but informative. I understand that is harder in text than it is in person.

It helps to identify what your main concern was. Clearly we all know you were concerned for the safety of her snakes.

What was her main concern? I didn't see it listed.

One could assume that it may be cost of housing, hurt feelings, not wanting to feel stupid, or any other number of things that we aren't aware of.

The problem of taking an I'm right/you're wrong approach is that there has to be a loser. No one wants to be the loser, so people slip into other modes to avoid this. (ie. denial)

I'm not sure how good your relationship is with this person, but a more powerful approach would be to acknowledge all her concerns. Don't interrupt her story, let her tell it, and if something pops up you feel a need to respond to, acknowledge it to yourself, and come back to it later.

Only when SHE believes that you truly understand her side of things will you be in a position to guide her.

One of my favourite books on the subject is called "Difficult conversations" by Bruce Patton. It is a valuable read for anyone.

http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASI...652850-0022412

Best of luck!

[rabernet]

OMG - I can't believe I read the whole thing!

[ARamos8]

It's obvious to all of us who is correct with respects to proper husbandry. My situation is fairly similar. Let me explain. I feel it in my bones to hand over thousands of $$$ to Adam for one of those FINE pied's but my wife would prefer to spend it otherwise. I can show where the money is spent as could she, but it's that long term investment that's the eye on the prize.

I don't mean to take your point lightly, just wanted to add some humor and let you know she will have to find out the hard way how right you are (unfortunate)...

[cassandra]

I feel it in my bones to hand over thousands of $$$ to Adam for one of those FINE pied's but my wife would prefer to spend it otherwise.

See, Rick!? Pieds are good! Yes yes with the giving of the money to the Adam for the pretty pretty piedbald!

/comfort ARamos8
I lost the argument too, so far, although I have power over sex and dinner, so we'll see. /flex