Holdback ID help required...

[Mehelya]

Hi all,

I did a few pairings this last season, which ended in January for me (southern hemisphere). I had two clutches go full term, and I found a keeper in each clutch. Unfortunately, I don't have pics of the adults at the moment, but will take some as soon as I can. I'll give lineage with each baby I kept back, but they are stumping me a tad, and would just like some (more) expert opinions...

The first clutch was a spider female, and then it gets tricky... I didn't pair her this last season, but the season before (2021),she gave me 8 good eggs all fathered by an enchi. Although I had also used a pastel ph pied and observed locks, only enchi based offspring resulted. This season (2022), she laid 5 good eggs, and 3 duds, without being paired this last season... and the one resultant I decided to hold onto, it was just super bright, and I thought I'd scored a really nice enchi, but then something seemed off as it has been growing...

The super bright
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Then I had another spider drop a first clutch of 5 eggs, and the father, by all accounts should be the enchi as well (only have the one male), although, I faintly remember trying the pastel poss het pied on her as well for a day or two, but it wasn't in my meticulously kept records at all.

And that doubtful union presented me with this little honey...
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So, I have a funny idea the first one is either a weird pastel or a funky enchi, and the second one is a normal het pied? Anyone keen to take a stab?

Either way, I appreciate any help, and thank you inadvance.