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    Yellow bottom mouth/jaw and concave right eye

    Hi there. This is regarding one of my more recent purchases. She is a pastel pied paradox. Usually when i buy new bps i am really OCD and inspect every single scale. But this girl's pattern is so erratic due to the pied and the paradox that i really couldnt tell what belongs and what doesnt. There are also black spots on random parts of her body. But today i was handling her and noticed the tip of her mouth was transparent yellow. It looked wet but i touched it and it was dry. Also usually when u see a bp's eye, it would be perfectly round and reflective. But this girl's right eye isn't clear or reflective. It looks like the center somehow is broken in and concave. Please let me know your thoughts on this.

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    Can't comment on morphs but the eye is most likely dehydration & with any luck should resolve. It's not that uncommon with BPs, but if it's addressed before layers of eye caps get stuck & creases become permanent damage, outcome is likely favorable.
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    Keep an eye on the bottom for swelling. Do you know how to check her mouth inside for problems? May just be part of the pattern but until you are sure I would want to make sure an infection isn't developing. I don't recall seeing transparent scales on any of mine unless there was a problem but it could just be something I haven't gotten one with that kind of pattern on that part of the face.
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    Re: Yellow bottom mouth/jaw and concave right eye

    Ive hatched out pieds with grey patterns on their chins before. looks normal to me.

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    Mouth Pictures



    From my perspective as a beginner, the mouth looks normal inside
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    I zoomed in and took pictures of the right eye in question. They look normal on camera? Am I just freaking out over nothing?


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    Re: Yellow bottom mouth/jaw and concave right eye

    Quote Originally Posted by JAGpenguin View Post
    I zoomed in and took pictures of the right eye in question. They look normal on camera? Am I just freaking out over nothing?

    Sometimes it's hard to capture or see this eye condition, especially at first, which is good...it means you caught it in time. Improve & maintain the hydration- BPs seem very prone to this- I've kept many other kinds of snakes over the years & honestly, I cannot recall any other kind of snake with the sort of crinkled or caved in eyes that I've seen on BPs- not even in other snakes with large eyes, like my favorite Trans Pecos rat snakes- never! BPs are apparently prone to this issue because (besides having large vulnerable eyes) they need more humidity PLUS warmer temperatures than many other snakes- thus these 2 factors make it more likely for them to suffer dehydration, which shows up in their eyes. So no, I don't think it's your imagination or "paranoia"- in fact, good job for paying close attention.
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    Re: Yellow bottom mouth/jaw and concave right eye

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogertophis View Post
    Sometimes it's hard to capture or see this eye condition, especially at first, which is good...it means you caught it in time. Improve & maintain the hydration- BPs seem very prone to this- I've kept many other kinds of snakes over the years & honestly, I cannot recall any other kind of snake with the sort of crinkled or caved in eyes that I've seen on BPs- not even in other snakes with large eyes, like my favorite Trans Pecos rat snakes- never! BPs are apparently prone to this issue because (besides having large vulnerable eyes) they need more humidity PLUS warmer temperatures than many other snakes- thus these 2 factors make it more likely for them to suffer dehydration, which shows up in their eyes. So no, I don't think it's your imagination or "paranoia"- in fact, good job for paying close attention.
    This, 100%!

    From the first photo you posted in this thread the eye does look a bit concave and dented. To fix this I'd recommend raising the humidity to 70% for a few days and maybe putting some damp sphagnum moss into your BP's hides. And of course make sure fresh water is available at all times. Dented eyes due to dehydration seems to be a common problem for BPs and as long as it's addressed promptly there shouldn't be any lasting issues.
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    Mouth looks good!
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    She is in a make-shift quarantine box with soldered holes and a bowl of water. This is my usual trick to raise humidty. Right now it is at 69%.

    My initial mistake was putting her in a terra in a big living room thinking that the humidity would be in a similar range as the humidity of my dedicated snake room (which, if left to nature, would naturally be 55-75% with 84-86 F temp). I was shocked to find out the humidity was only at 45% in the living room. Beginner mistake.
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