Getting Confused with Recessive Morphs. Genetic Wizard Leading Me Wrong?

[hikari23]

Long time creeper... first time poster, here.

I'm trying to use the Genetic Wizard on World of Ball Pythons to help me figure out where I want to go with a breeding plan. (Will be my first time trying.)

From what I researched if breed a visual Albino x visual Piebald you will get double het albino het piebald. BUT, if you breed a visual toffee x visual albino you will get Toffinos. Why is that?

Also, in the genetic wizard whenever I try to use "het piebald" it just comes up as a visual. For example, if I type "Fire" then "het piebald" for the same snake then want it to calculate, it shows that I typed a "Fire Pied." The calculations that it comes out with of what the offspring would be would be wrong, wouldn't it?

Specifically, I have a visual Albino and am looking what to breed her with. Someone is selling a Pastel het albino het toffee in my area. Wondering what the outcome of that breeding pair would be.

I'm just getting really confused. Any help at understanding is appreciated. Thanks.

[asplundii]

BUT, if you breed a visual toffee x visual albino you will get Toffinos. Why is that?

Albino and Toffee are alleles of the same gene. Think of them as being like a SuperButter (Albino) and a SuperPhantom (Toffee). When you breed them together you get a Butter/Phantom (Toffino aka Albino/Toffee)

Or maybe a more human analogy: Eye colour. If you have brown eyes you have two copies of the brown allele. If you have blue eyes you have two copies of the blue allele. If you have hazel eyes you have one copy of the brown allele and one copy of the blue allele

Make sense?

Someone is selling a Pastel het albino het toffee in my area. Wondering what the outcome of that breeding pair would be.

Someone in your area does not know genetics LOL. The animal is either a Pastel het Albino or a Pastel het Toffee, it cannot be het for both

Specifically, I have a visual Albino and am looking what to breed her with.

What are you most interested in making? Do you want more Albinos? Albino combos? Toffinos? Toffino combos? Something completely different and you do not care whether it carries the Albino gene??

[Moose84]

I have a visual Albino and am looking what to breed her with. Someone is selling a Pastel het albino het toffee in my area. Wondering what the outcome of that breeding pair would be.


The calculators don't break down that far. Im not sure why it would tell you that two different recessives mixed together would make a visual albino x toffee. So your question...

Pastel DH Albino x Toffee to a visual albino would net you the following: This is taking into consideration that the DH ALBINO X Toffee is 100% HET for the recessive genes. ie. one parent was visual for either gene. Mom was a toffee dad was an albino or one of them was a visual double recessive.

Albinos possible het toffee
Pastel albinos poss het toffee
Pastel poss het albino and toffee
poss het albino and toffee (normal looking)
albinos

with all this being said I know very little about toffee... I have never worked with it. This example given would be for double recessives. From a quick search Toffee is showing as recessive.

[Moose84]

Albino and Toffee are alleles of the same gene. Think of them as being like a SuperButter (Albino) and a SuperPhantom (Toffee). When you breed them together you get a Butter/Phantom (Toffino aka Albino/Toffee)

Or maybe a more human analogy: Eye colour. If you have brown eyes you have two copies of the brown allele. If you have blue eyes you have two copies of the blue allele. If you have hazel eyes you have one copy of the brown allele and one copy of the blue allele

Make sense?




Someone in your area does not know genetics LOL. The animal is either a Pastel het Albino or a Pastel het Toffee, it cannot be het for both




What are you most interested in making? Do you want more Albinos? Albino combos? Toffinos? Toffino combos? Something completely different and you do not care whether it carries the Albino gene??

Listen to this guy.. Hahaha I figured it had something to do with alleles. Ill shut up now..