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    Help me identify this clutch

    Hi BP community. I am hoping for a little help identifying this (my first) clutch. The Pairing was your typical Pinstripe female bred to a Phantom Spider Hypo male. She also had 1 copulation with a Sulfur-Cream (Sulfur Vanilla) male. (Sulfur is a line of the Fire gene).

    The Pinstripe female was bred once to the Sulfur Cream in mid January, and then three times to the Phantom Spider Hypo in early Feb, late Feb, and Mid March. She ovulated in late March, the clutch was laid May 8, and hatched July 3.

    I thought this would be easy to identify, because I assumed there would be Phantoms, Spiders, Pinstripes, combos of any two, combos of all three, and/or normals (all 100% het hypo of course).

    There are 10 babies, and I am pretty confident that I have 2 pinstripes, 1 spinner, 1 phantom pin, and 1 phantom spider.

    The other 5 all look like phantoms to me, but two look a bit different from the other 3, yet they don't quite look normal. These are the 5 that are mixing me up. I am wondering if perhaps I might have a dual-sired clutch, and 1 or two of these animals might be Sulfur/Vanilla. Sulfur and vanilla are allelic, and if any babies were fathered by that male, they would have one or the other gene, there would be no normals.

    Here is a link to photos of the clutch:

    https://imgur.com/a/7Idzibs

    There are 6 photos:
    - one of the entire clutch
    - two of the 5 snakes in question (one with each animal numbered, for ease of talking about specific animals)
    - one of the entire clutch with each animal labeled with my best guesses
    - one photo of each described possible father.

    Are those 5 phantom, normal, or sulfur/vanilla? What are your opinions? Thanks so much! I really appreciate the help!!!
    Last edited by poodlesnake; 07-04-2018 at 11:17 AM.

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    Re: Help me identify this clutch

    With all the shadows it's very hard to tell. Anyway to get picture in natural light without all the shadows?

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    Re: Help me identify this clutch

    Here are 9 more pictures. There is some glare (baby snakes are so shiny!) but the lighting is showing their true colors well.

    The first 5 photos are each individual snake in question. The next 3 are of the 5 of them together in slightly different lighting, the last one is the other 5 in the clutch.

    (The first of the 5 is the one that looks most phantom to me, the last of the 5 is the one that looks least like the others IMO, but they all look similar)

    https://imgur.com/a/L5pq5Ik

    Thanks!
    Last edited by poodlesnake; 07-04-2018 at 02:04 PM.

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