Conflicting ideas

[jonny65or9]

So in about to hook up my bp's enclosure. Re do the whole inside. Everyone says that no surface should get hotter that 95 degrees but should be 90 degrees on the surface that the snake hides on. I am using both, uth and che. My che keeps the floor temp at 90 but every 3"5 -4" the temp rises 8-10 degree. So i guess if he desided to hang out on top of his hide one day that wouldnt be good.

So i was about to add multiple layers of drift wood, moss and ivy. But at 8" off the floor we are talking temps of 115+.

So adding this stuff sounds like it wouldnt be in my bp's best interest. I guess i should only let him roam around on the floor. Or get a much larger tank

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[Godzilla78]

The che is NOT for surface temps! That is dangerous and you could kill your snake at those temps. THE CHE IS ONLY FOR AMBIENT AIR TEMPS, which should be 78 on the cool side, and 84 tops on the hot side. Do you have the che heat controlled by a thermostat?

If you want to get a surface temp 90degree hot spot, use the under tank heater on a separate thermostat.


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[jonny65or9]

The che is NOT for surface temps! That is dangerous and you could kill your snake at those temps. THE CHE IS ONLY FOR AMBIENT AIR TEMPS, which should be 78 on the cool side, and 84 tops on the hot side. Do you have the che heat controlled by a thermostat?

If you want to get a surface temp 90degree hot spot, use the under tank heater on a separate thermostat.


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Yes and yes both are controled by a thermostat and everyone and everything i read says 90 on the hot side but a max of 95.

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[jonny65or9]

The che is NOT for surface temps! That is dangerous and you could kill your snake at those temps. THE CHE IS ONLY FOR AMBIENT AIR TEMPS, which should be 78 on the cool side, and 84 tops on the hot side. Do you have the che heat controlled by a thermostat?

If you want to get a surface temp 90degree hot spot, use the under tank heater on a separate thermostat.


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So with a heat gun how are you testing the temp of the air as for they can only tell you the temp of a surface. And my uth is set at 95 and thats only because the temp gun reeds 90 on the surface of rhe glass in which it sits on . This is everything controling my tank

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[zina10]

It seems you are quite "OCD" like I am and want everything "just right".

Well, you are making it very difficult on yourself with your setup. Instead of worrying so much about having everything cabled up and ran so neatly (incl. pipes and whatnot) you could save yourself a lot of trouble by setting the glass tank up as is suggested on the "sticky".

Or just go to a PVC / Plastic enclosure.

Like Godzilla said, you should never use overhead heat emitters to provide a surface hot spot. You are going to bake your Ball Python. And despite running a humidifier, you will simply suck ever bit of humidity right back out. Making it fluctuate wildly.

I know you can be sensitive to what you consider "criticizing". I'm not trying to criticize, I'm trying to give advice.

If you want to have a safe surface hot spot then provide a under the tank heater. Run through a thermostat making sure that the surface under the substrate (right on the surface) doesn't go over 90 to 92 degrees. The substrate shouldn't be thick above that area and the Ball Python will wiggle / burrow down to get warmer. So do not measure the hotspot ON TOP of the substrate, because it would be to hot underneath of it.

If you room is very cold you could use overhead heating as well, but that should NEVER EVER be so hot that it literally heats your surface to 90 degrees, esp. in such a small and enclosed tank. You should simply keep the ambient from falling below 75 degrees. You could also do away with the humidifier then. Simply get a substrate that holds humidity and mist only as needed.

For your Ball Pythons "comfort level" you should also cover up the back and sides to create more privacy. Your enclosure is wide open and lit up. It needs clutter and it needs cover. At this point everything you put in there is going to heat up way to much under the over heat and you will burn your Ball Python if he gets on top of anything, even just cruising and climbing the walls.

[jonny65or9]

It seems you are quite "OCD" like I am and want everything "just right".

Well, you are making it very difficult on yourself with your setup. Instead of worrying so much about having everything cabled up and ran so neatly (incl. pipes and whatnot) you could save yourself a lot of trouble by setting the glass tank up as is suggested on the "sticky".

Or just go to a PVC / Plastic enclosure.

Like Godzilla said, you should never use overhead heat emitters to provide a surface hot spot. You are going to bake your Ball Python. And despite running a humidifier, you will simply suck ever bit of humidity right back out. Making it fluctuate wildly.

I know you can be sensitive to what you consider "criticizing". I'm not trying to criticize, I'm trying to give advice.

If you want to have a safe surface hot spot then provide a under the tank heater. Run through a thermostat making sure that the surface under the substrate (right on the surface) doesn't go over 90 to 92 degrees. The substrate shouldn't be thick above that area and the Ball Python will wiggle / burrow down to get warmer. So do not measure the hotspot ON TOP of the substrate, because it would be to hot underneath of it.

If you room is very cold you could use overhead heating as well, but that should NEVER EVER be so hot that it literally heats your surface to 90 degrees, esp. in such a small and enclosed tank. You should simply keep the ambient from falling below 75 degrees. You could also do away with the humidifier then. Simply get a substrate that holds humidity and mist only as needed.

For your Ball Pythons "comfort level" you should also cover up the back and sides to create more privacy. Your enclosure is wide open and lit up. It needs clutter and it needs cover. At this point everything you put in there is going to heat up way to much under the over heat and you will burn your Ball Python if he gets on top of anything, even just cruising and climbing the walls.

I do have an uth that keeps the substrate at 90 degrees, my uth is controled by a thermostat, as is my che. So i should turn the heat down on the che. Got it.

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[jonny65or9]

It seems you are quite "OCD" like I am and want everything "just right".

Well, you are making it very difficult on yourself with your setup. Instead of worrying so much about having everything cabled up and ran so neatly (incl. pipes and whatnot) you could save yourself a lot of trouble by setting the glass tank up as is suggested on the "sticky".

Or just go to a PVC / Plastic enclosure.

Like Godzilla said, you should never use overhead heat emitters to provide a surface hot spot. You are going to bake your Ball Python. And despite running a humidifier, you will simply suck ever bit of humidity right back out. Making it fluctuate wildly.

I know you can be sensitive to what you consider "criticizing". I'm not trying to criticize, I'm trying to give advice.

If you want to have a safe surface hot spot then provide a under the tank heater. Run through a thermostat making sure that the surface under the substrate (right on the surface) doesn't go over 90 to 92 degrees. The substrate shouldn't be thick above that area and the Ball Python will wiggle / burrow down to get warmer. So do not measure the hotspot ON TOP of the substrate, because it would be to hot underneath of it.

If you room is very cold you could use overhead heating as well, but that should NEVER EVER be so hot that it literally heats your surface to 90 degrees, esp. in such a small and enclosed tank. You should simply keep the ambient from falling below 75 degrees. You could also do away with the humidifier then. Simply get a substrate that holds humidity and mist only as needed.

For your Ball Pythons "comfort level" you should also cover up the back and sides to create more privacy. Your enclosure is wide open and lit up. It needs clutter and it needs cover. At this point everything you put in there is going to heat up way to much under the over heat and you will burn your Ball Python if he gets on top of anything, even just cruising and climbing the walls.

Also i am about to re do the entire inside of his enclosure because it is wide open and i do want to create privacy for him and make him comfortable.

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[Sunnieskys]

Your substrate doesn't need to be more than 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch. And the glass without substrate above the uth should read 90 not on top of the substrate.

[jonny65or9]

Your substrate doesn't need to be more than 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch. And the glass without substrate above the uth should read 90 not on top of the substrate.

Got it

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