OK, one of the pics is going to give me away....I'm a smoker (ack!!!) but hoping to stop soon. Anyway, I used the pack to measure Kashmire tonight with the software here. He's 17.9 inches long. Second picture is him post shed right after his first shed with me.

My camera does not take good pictures of a moving snake. The delay between the depression of the shutter and actually taking the picture is a few seconds, so I get blurry shots....GRRRR (and he's a wiggle worm tonight).