What the heck is a sunset?

[dkatz4]

A friendly conversation on Facebook has got me in a tizzy. I was talking about hypos and hog islands and basically the question is: to be considered a "sunset" must the animal be homozygous for hypo and half hog Island? I thought even normal hypo (het) X hog was considered sunset and wondered if Super hypo X Hogg would be a "super sunset" but this person I'm chatting with says that the het version would just be considered a "Hypo Hog" and "super sunset" is not a thing because it is redundant. I honestly don't know who is right or wrong or if we are both right/wrong – some clarity please?

[Oxylepy]

Morph market has them as super hypo hogs.

[Sauzo]

Originally 'sunset' was a line of super hypo hog from Damien Saldano from D&M. Anyways, it was a super hypo pure CA hog bred to a super hypo pure CA hog boa. There is no colombian/south american BCI in a true sunset. So the guy you were talking to is right kind of. There is no het for hypo. It's a co-dom gene so there is no such thing as het for hypo, either the boa will be hypo or not. Now breeding hypo x hypo will give you an X chance for a super hypo or normals. Then you take the super hypo and breed it back to the hypo and hope for more super hypos. Now i dont remember but i think there was a formula for breeding offspring to parents. One of them was bad, like breeding dad to daughter or son to mom, i can't remember.

So you would have to breed a hypo hog x hypo hog and then you have a chance of getting a super hypo hog aka sunset. The chances arent great which I'm guessing is why the guy said super hypo hog to super hypo hog as a super hypo to super hypo gives you 100% for super hypos. And super sunset is kind of redundant as a sunset is a super hypo hog from D&M originally. It's like calling a salmon boa a salmon hypo. It's redundant in the fact that a salmon is a hypo but from Rich Ihles line. The sunset is from D&M line but a lot of people call them all sunsets like a lot of people call baby sunglows lipsticks and people call hypos salmons.

So bottom line is to be a true sunset boa, it has to be pure CA Hog with no South American/common boa influence and has to be a super hypo. And if you want to get technical, it has to be from Damien Saldano in its bloodline. And of course there is different qualities to them. You want parents that have the bright reds and yellows. Kind of like with moonglows and snowglows, you want the parents to hold as much white as possible into adulthood. So while someone might breed super hypo hogs and call them sunsets, if they arent that nice vivid color, then to me, they are just super hypo hogs, not sunset boas. Now i might be wrong on a couple points here but this is what i have learned about them.

BTW which FB group was this? Boa Constrictor keepers? Boa Constrictor JB? Pure Locality boas?

[dkatz4]

It was in boa constrictor keepers. So a true sunset is pure Hog? That's wild, man. Now for the record, I know hypo is partial dom, meaning that a "regular" hypo is heterozygous, but still visual. Just had to throw that out there since, you know, I ended up looking like a dumb-ass regarding the whole sunset thing

[AbsoluteApril]

Anyways, it was a super hypo pure CA hog bred to a super hypo pure CA hog boa. There is no colombian/south american BCI in a true sunset.

I don't recall that? What the heck is a 'pure CA hog'?
Hog isle is a locality of Bi. They are thought to have hypo but the sunsets were hypo boas (Central American or Colombian) bred to a hog isle, they were always a locality mix. CA boas are a locality, Hog Isle is a locality. This is what I remember when they were first posted about on kingsnake a long time ago? Did D&M do a write up about it claiming it's all pure hog locality? I'd be interested in reading that. I know back when they first came out people were crossing the localities to replicate their results.

I have two hog isles, one appears as a 'hypo' version when compared to the other but they are just variations of the locality. 'Hypo hogs' have always been locality crosses.

[Sauzo]

I don't recall that? What the heck is a 'pure CA hog'?Hog isle is a locality of Bi. They are thought to have hypo but the sunsets were hypo boas (Central American or Colombian) bred to a hog isle, they were always a locality mix. CA boas are a locality, Hog Isle is a locality. This is what I remember when they were first posted about on kingsnake a long time ago? Did D&M do a write up about it claiming it's all pure hog locality? I'd be interested in reading that. I know back when they first came out people were crossing the localities to replicate their results.I have two hog isles, one appears as a 'hypo' version when compared to the other but they are just variations of the locality. 'Hypo hogs' have always been locality crosses.

[Sauzo]

I don't recall that? What the heck is a 'pure CA hog'?
Hog isle is a locality of Bi. They are thought to have hypo but the sunsets were hypo boas (Central American or Colombian) bred to a hog isle, they were always a locality mix. CA boas are a locality, Hog Isle is a locality. This is what I remember when they were first posted about on kingsnake a long time ago? Did D&M do a write up about it claiming it's all pure hog locality? I'd be interested in reading that. I know back when they first came out people were crossing the localities to replicate their results.

I have two hog isles, one appears as a 'hypo' version when compared to the other but they are just variations of the locality. 'Hypo hogs' have always been locality crosses.

You are right, the sunset is a CA hypo x hog cross. So it would be 50% hog. 'True' sunsets though have no Colombian influence in them.

And i meant pure CA boa, not pure CA hog lol.

I don't think there is any write ups by D&M. Most of the stuff I've gathered has been from other people on other boards.

[Sauzo]

It was in boa constrictor keepers. So a true sunset is pure Hog? That's wild, man. Now for the record, I know hypo is partial dom, meaning that a "regular" hypo is heterozygous, but still visual. Just had to throw that out there since, you know, I ended up looking like a dumb-ass regarding the whole sunset thing

No, i stand corrected. A 'true' sunset would be a 50% hog crossed to a CA hypo but it would be a pure CA BI boa. Lot, we all learn. I guess the whole sunset thing is kind of a mess anyways as from what i read and was told, D&M didnt really go about the whole sunset creation very well.