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    BPnet Veteran Kroberts10's Avatar
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    Passing on of quality?

    I gotta wondering about how well certain traits of parents pass on to there offspring. Like will parents with higher amounts of flaming and blushing than typically found, pass that on to their offspring. Is it more of a higher possibility that the young will look better than the average peers like the parents do? Are the young almost guaranteed to look similar to the parents? Or is it still random chance that they end up more exceptional looking than there peer vs looking normal for the morph? And can a typical for the morph have the same chances of throwing an exceptional young?
    Pretty much: what is the likely hood of an exceptional looking parent throwing more exceptional babies vs a typical looker throwing exceptional babies?
    You can plug in whatever trait you look for in an exceptional animal. Sorry about so many questions just thrown out there. I wanted to cover as many bases for possibilities as I could. I'm sure this has been covered already, but my mind is curious.

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    with selective breeding you can increase the rates of desirable traits but as far as i know its still a gamble as to weather a parent will pass on the same amount of a trait.

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    Yes they can pass it on but its always not guaranteed.
    I am more of a fan of flames and blushing on Pastels.

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    Genotype determines potential, environment affects expression.

    Now, the environment should be roughly the same across the board and shouldn't weigh too heavily on the outcome of the snake, we aren't changing that much, although environmental effects are less understood than genetics, so it is possible that minor changes in temperature during development in the egg could have a huge effect on the snake, while a malnourished mother may also have a huge effect. Regardless let us disregard environment for the moment and focus on genetics.

    Genetics isn't nearly as simple as we make it out to be. We focus our attention on individual genes in the snake, recessive, dominant, codominant/incomplete dominant. Yes we have designer morphs which have more than one gene, but it's pretty much trinary for each gene; on, half on, off. This completely disregards the more complex elements of genetics, eg human hair (2 genes determine color, numerous other genes determine the amount of color leading to shades, genes get turned on and off during childhood development, aging turns other genes on and off and you end up with greys/balding, then environmental factors such as stress and chemicals have an effect).

    In other words, some aspects of your snake's genetics are MUCH more complicated than we normally look at them. Lets say pattern, this could easily be 4 or 5 genes interacting with eachother, with other genes controlling these being turned on and off. Or perhaps color, as we know there are a LOT of genes that affect color.

    There are other factors such as if the gene came from the father or from the mother, as recent studies have shown with human beings, one has a larger effect than the other.

    However, as I started this post, genetics determines potential. If you are mashing together snakes with less desirable traits simply because you what a particular designer morph, you are also passing on a mixture of less desirable genes. You may get lucky, but when you are working with higher quality you are more likely to get higher quality results.
    Ball Pythons 1.1 Lesser, Pastel
    1.0 Lesser Pastel, 0.0.7 mixed babies

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    Re: Passing on of quality?

    Beautiful!!

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