Help on double het genes

[Spinnerman]

so i am getting a male piebald het red axhantic and a female bumble bee het piebald, het red axhantic.So if i bred these two together would i get the same chance of getting visual bumble bee pieds as if i bred a Piebald to a bumble het pied.

[Eric Alan]

Yes - the odds are the same for any one individual gene no matter how many other genes are involved. You just increase the chances of the Bumblebee Pieds you happen to produce also having the Het Red Axanthic gene.

Also, just to clear things up a bit, you don't have a double recessive gene animal (a "double het"). Het Red Axanthic is one of the unfortunately named incomplete dominant morphs in the hobby.

[Spinnerman]

Sorry i dont understand? I dont know much about ball python genes at the moment still doing my reaserch.

[kxr]

Sorry i dont understand? I dont know much about ball python genes at the moment still doing my reaserch.

Het red axanthic is a bad name. It isn't a true het because the het red axanthics are visually different from a normal ball python. A het pied on the other hand can't easily be visually distinguished from a normal.

[Spinnerman]

ah so if i bred the pied het red axhantic to a bumble bee to could make just bumble bee het pied and no het red axhantic? and the red axhantic isnt actually a het gene but a dominate gene?

[kxr]

This (http://www.morphmarket.com/c/reptile...ic-calculator/) is your friend

Het red axanthic is incomplete dominant as Eric said. In our community the term codominant is used in place of incomplete dominant for some reason.

Het red * het red = red axanthic the same way het pied * het pied = pied the only difference is that het red is visually different from a normal ball python

[Gc99]

I just wanted to point out that codominant and icomplete dominance are two different things. Codominance is when two traits are shown (you can see them both. For example, you mix plants with red flowers and white flowers and the offspring come out red with white spots) incomplete dominance is when two traits mix (for example, you mix a plant with red flowers with one that has white flowers and the offspring come out pink) sorry for using plants as an example but its easier that way lol

[Eric Alan]

If you really want your head to spin, what if I told you that Het Red Axanthic is actually more technically correct than the hobby gives it credit for? In the BP world, we use the term "het" when specifically referring to recessive genes. In the real world of genetics, the term "het" means soooooo much more.

And, to get back on track to your original question, I highlighted your chances of producing a visual Bumblebee Pied from this pairing (1/8 in total, with 3/4 of the time that Bumblebee Pied carrying at least one copy of the HRA gene).

Male:	Het Red Axanthic, Piebald
Female:	Het Red Axanthic, Bumblebee, Het Piebald
Percent	Fraction	Traits
3.125%	1/32	Pastel, Red Axanthic, Spied
6.25%	1/16	Pastel, Het Red Axanthic, Spied
3.125%	1/32	Pastel, Spied
3.125%	1/32	Pastel, Piebald, Red Axanthic
6.25%	1/16	Pastel, Het Red Axanthic, Piebald
3.125%	1/32	Pastel, Piebald
3.125%	1/32	Red Axanthic, Bumblebee, Het Piebald
6.25%	1/16	Het Red Axanthic, Bumblebee, Het Piebald
3.125%	1/32	Bumblebee, Het Piebald
3.125%	1/32	Pastel, Red Axanthic, Het Piebald
6.25%	1/16	Pastel, Het Red Axanthic, Het Piebald
3.125%	1/32	Pastel, Het Piebald
3.125%	1/32	Red Axanthic, Spied
6.25%	1/16	Het Red Axanthic, Spied
3.125%	1/32	Spied
3.125%	1/32	Piebald, Red Axanthic
6.25%	1/16	Het Red Axanthic, Piebald
3.125%	1/32	Piebald
3.125%	1/32	Spider, Red Axanthic, Het Piebald
6.25%	1/16	Spider, Het Red Axanthic, Het Piebald
3.125%	1/32	Spider, Het Piebald
3.125%	1/32	Red Axanthic, Het Piebald
6.25%	1/16	Het Red Axanthic, Het Piebald
3.125%	1/32	Het Piebald
View Results Page

EDIT: Fixed the chart I shared - I forgot the female was also HRA.

[Spinnerman]

If you really want your head to spin, what if I told you that Het Red Axanthic is actually more technically correct than the hobby gives it credit for? In the BP world, we use the term "het" when specifically referring to recessive genes. In the real world of genetics, the term "het" means soooooo much more.

And, to get back on track to your original question, I highlighted your chances of producing a visual Bumblebee Pied from this pairing (1/8 in total, with 3/4 of the time that Bumblebee Pied carrying at least one copy of the HRA gene).

Male:	Het Red Axanthic, Piebald
Female:	Het Red Axanthic, Bumblebee, Het Piebald
Percent	Fraction	Traits
3.125%	1/32	Pastel, Red Axanthic, Spied
6.25%	1/16	Pastel, Het Red Axanthic, Spied
3.125%	1/32	Pastel, Spied
3.125%	1/32	Pastel, Piebald, Red Axanthic
6.25%	1/16	Pastel, Het Red Axanthic, Piebald
3.125%	1/32	Pastel, Piebald
3.125%	1/32	Red Axanthic, Bumblebee, Het Piebald
6.25%	1/16	Het Red Axanthic, Bumblebee, Het Piebald
3.125%	1/32	Bumblebee, Het Piebald
3.125%	1/32	Pastel, Red Axanthic, Het Piebald
6.25%	1/16	Pastel, Het Red Axanthic, Het Piebald
3.125%	1/32	Pastel, Het Piebald
3.125%	1/32	Red Axanthic, Spied
6.25%	1/16	Het Red Axanthic, Spied
3.125%	1/32	Spied
3.125%	1/32	Piebald, Red Axanthic
6.25%	1/16	Het Red Axanthic, Piebald
3.125%	1/32	Piebald
3.125%	1/32	Spider, Red Axanthic, Het Piebald
6.25%	1/16	Spider, Het Red Axanthic, Het Piebald
3.125%	1/32	Spider, Het Piebald
3.125%	1/32	Red Axanthic, Het Piebald
6.25%	1/16	Het Red Axanthic, Het Piebald
3.125%	1/32	Het Piebald
View Results Page

EDIT: Fixed the chart I shared - I forgot the female was also HRA.

Thank you for doing chart. so i would get a 12.5% chance of producing a visual bumble bee pied?

[PitOnTheProwl]

Thank you for doing chart. so i would get a 12.5% chance of producing a visual bumble bee pied?

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