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    Question Male Or Female More Dominant?

    I'm sure this has already been answered a million times, but I can't find anything about it. So, please forgive the nOOb question... lol Is either the male or female more dominant than the other with regards to what offspring will most likely be produced?

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    Re: Male Or Female More Dominant?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aedryan Methyus View Post
    I'm sure this has already been answered a million times, but I can't find anything about it. So, please forgive the nOOb question... lol Is either the male or female more dominant than the other with regards to what offspring will most likely be produced?
    Neither. They all produce equal sex ratios across the board.*

    * with one exception - the Banana/Coral Glow morph; that one's a very unique one-off in the hobby
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    It's not about the sex it's about the genetics when it comes to combos

    Pastel X Male X Spider Female will give you the same outcome than Spider Male X Pastel Male.

    Now from the business/investment standpoint however there is a way to go about pairings
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    Easy, the answer is neither. It's elementary my dear Watson, assuming it's the same as it is in humans, both parents have two sex chromosomes with the female having two copies of the Y chromosome and the male having one copy of the X chromosome and one of the Y. During normal development each individual baby gets a copy of one of each parents chromosomes. This means it always gets a copy of the Y chromosome from its mother and the chromosome inherited from the father determines the sex of the offspring with 50% being males and 50% being females statistically speaking.

    Edit: welp, looks like I was ninja'd because I tried to get all sciency and stuff
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    Re: Male Or Female More Dominant?

    Thanks you guys! Both of your answers are very good to know. I think what i'm actually wondering has more to do with colors/markings/patterns/etc. So, using Deborah's example, let's say I was breeding a male pastel to a female spider... Obviously, the goal is to get interesting combinations of the two, but would the offspring more likely have the coloring/markings of the pastel (male) or the spider (female)? Or, is this what you meant by it has more to do with genetics than the sex, Deborah? That would bring another question to mind... Is there a way to determine which genetics are more dominant? For instance; would a pastel be more dominant than a spider (or vise versa)?

    Now from the business/investment standpoint however there is a way to go about pairings
    Would you mind elaborating on that a bit, Deborah? Though, I am starting off small (2 or 3 pairs) and would be ecstatic just making enough money breeding for it to sustain itself after a year or two, ultimately my goal is for it to become a sideline business that would be as profitable as possible. Since, I can't afford pairs of $5,000.00 - $20,000.00 breeder ready snakes, I have to plan 2/4/6 years ahead and be as smart as possible with my initial investments in the pairs I will be starting off with...

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    Re: Male Or Female More Dominant?

    Quote Originally Posted by kxr View Post
    Easy, the answer is neither. It's elementary my dear Watson, assuming it's the same as it is in humans, both parents have two sex chromosomes with the female having two copies of the Y chromosome and the male having one copy of the X chromosome and one of the Y. During normal development each individual baby gets a copy of one of each parents chromosomes. This means it always gets a copy of the Y chromosome from its mother and the chromosome inherited from the father determines the sex of the offspring with 50% being males and 50% being females statistically speaking.

    Edit: welp, looks like I was ninja'd because I tried to get all sciency and stuff
    LOL@kxr being ninja'd! That was an excellent explanation and it actually makes sense. I think I may as well get used to feeling really stupid around all of you smart people for awhile until I get my mind wrapped all the way around this genetics stuff! lol

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    Re: Male Or Female More Dominant?

    Would you mind elaborating on that a bit, Deborah? Though, I am starting off small (2 or 3 pairs) and would be ecstatic just making enough money breeding for it to sustain itself after a year or two, ultimately my goal is for it to become a sideline business that would be as profitable as possible. Since, I can't afford pairs of $5,000.00 - $20,000.00 breeder ready snakes, I have to plan 2/4/6 years ahead and be as smart as possible with my initial investments in the pairs I will be starting off with..
    I will elaborate with a simple example while you would breed a 2, 3 or more genes male to a normal female, you would just not waste a valuable 2, 3 or 4 genes female with a normal male. Always pair a male with the most gene you can afford to a female and avoid breeding a lower end (lower value male) to a higher end (higher value female).....that's business 101 and common sense really
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    Just to add an example to clarify what Deb is saying in case you're still confused, it would be a better idea to buy say a firefly male and a normal female then a firefly female and a normal male. This is because a male can breed up to like four females in a season so it would be cheaper to buy a firefly male and four normal females instead of doing it the other way around and you'd get the same results. You also get the bonus of being able to combine the firefly with four females with different genetic makeups to get a wider variety of offspring that all might have the desirable traits of the father.

    To answer your other question no single gene is any more likely to be inherited than any other one. So like if you breed any two codom morphs together you always have a spread of 25/25/25/25. So in the example you used of breeding a pastel to a spider you have a 25% chance to getting the combined phenotype, a bumble bee, a 25% chance to get either of the parents phenotypes and a 25% chance of getting the wild type phenotype (normal). Gender is irrelevant unless you're talking about bananas which is a can of worms that I'm not sure I want to open and I'm pretty sure I couldn't explain the underlying principles if I did open it.

    Also I'm in university studying stuff like genetics so don't be too worried about not knowing that stuff haha Although I have to say, getting into ball pythons before I started my genetics class made the first half of it sooooooooooo much easier to understand XD

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    Excellent explanations you guys! That all makes perfect sense! Thanks so much for clarifying these things. You guys/girls are awesome!

    By the way, I just posted a really good barter proposition in the business thread (For Sale/Trade/Wanted) in case either you guys might be interested in such a thing or know anyone who might be...

    Thanks again!

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    Re: Male Or Female More Dominant?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aedryan Methyus View Post
    Excellent explanations you guys! That all makes perfect sense! Thanks so much for clarifying these things. You guys/girls are awesome!

    By the way, I just posted a really good barter proposition in the business thread (For Sale/Trade/Wanted) in case either you guys might be interested in such a thing or know anyone who might be...

    Thanks again!
    Yeah, I saw that. Deb has a pretty cool website already. Although I don't know her too well I kinda doubt she'd be interested. It does kinda peak my interest but I don't have anything you'd be interested in. Plus I'm just starting out haha I'm only one clutch deep into breeding and I'm just starting to build up my own little breeding collection. Maybe in a few years if you're still active on here you can build a website for me probably not for animals though... I'm not a fan of the idea tbh

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