Help with some Silver Snakes

[Slowcountry Balls]

So back in 2013 I hatched out some really cool snakes from a 2009 female Pewter to a 2011 male Mystic. In that clutch, there were two silver snakes. One, the male, I thought was a Pewter Mystic, and the other, the female, I just wasn't sure if she was a Pewter or more than that. Some people who had experience producing Pewter Mystics told me I only had two Pewters. Both of them produced clutches for us this year. The male proved to be a Pewter Mystic (he sired 2015 Clutch 3 that had a Super Pastel Mystic and what I think is a Mystic Sterling) and I am thinking the female has proven to be a Pewter Mojave (in the 2011-2012 season, I paired the 2009 female Pewter to a 2008 male Mojave). It is hard to tell, because she does not look like her clutch mate, the 2013 male Pewter Mystic, but she also looks very different from her 2012 sister, a typical Pewter.

Both Justin Kobylka and Josh Jensen have been giving me some input on this clutch

Here is the 2013 female Pewter Question that I think is a Pewter Mojave:


Here she is next to her 2012 sister, a Pweter, the 2013 female Pewter Question is on the right, while the 2012 female Pewter is on the left.


And here is a picture of the 2012 female Pewter (left), 2013 female Pewter Question (middle), and 2013 male Pewter Mystic (right)


Here are the babies from 2013 female Pewter Question (2015 Clutch 14)

We don't have an individual picture of the Pastel from this clutch, but we do have individual pictures of the rest of the clutch.

This one is 2015 Clutch 14 male Pastel Calico. It is interesting how different Pastel Calicos can be even with the same Pastel Calico father (the female from 2015 Clutch 1 that we initially thought was a Pastel Mojave Calico, is probably an awesome Pastel Calico, thanks Josh for the help on that one).


This is one of the questions for us. Initially we thought this might be a Super Pastel Mojave, proving the mother to be a Pewter Mojave, but after exchanging emails with Justin Kobylka (http://www.jkobylkareptiles.com/), she may actually be a Super Pastel Calico. I just don't know, I keep going back and forth on her genetics. Time will certainly make this one clear (based on what we saw with our 2014 Clutch 9 female Super Pastel Calico, who started off with similar colors, but turned much more yellow as she aged).


Here is one of the other main questions. I initially thought she is a Sterling, but at the September 5th, Atlanta Dixie reptile show, another breeder, who had Sterling Surgars on his table, thought she was a Sterling Calico. In looking at a lot of pictures of Pewter Mojaves, Pewter Mystics, Pewter Calicos, Sterling Mystics, and Sterling Calicos, along with the same Sugar combinations, I believe she might be a Pewter Calico or a Pewter Mojave Calico (her head just isn't blushed enough for me to think she is a Sterling Calico, and her pattern is to crazy for me to think she is a Pewter Mojave, so I am left with either a Pewter Calico, or a Pewter Mojave Calico, and the way the alien heads on her side are smeared together like her mother, I am wondering if she got the Blue Eyed Leucistic gene that her mother has, which I think is Mojave and not Mystic). I am just not sure what she is exactly, but I'm pretty sure we'll keep her and breed her to figure it out if it doesn't become clear as she ages.


And the crown jewel of this clutch, which I think is the evidence that the mother is carrying a Blue Eyed Leucistic gene, is what I think is a female Sterling Mojave Calico. Her pattern is just too crazy to be a Sterling Mojave or Sterling Calico (based on looking at the Sterling Calico, Mystic Sterling, and Sterling Sugar), so I think she is the five gene combination.


Here is a picture of the grey snakes from this clutch and 2015 Clutch 2. The female Mystic Sterling from 2015 Clutch 2 is on the left, the Pewter Calico or Pewter Mojave Calico is in the middle, and the one I think is a Sterling Mojave Calico is on the right.


Any help you guys can give would be appreciated.

[piedlover79]

Well, I know nothing of silver snakes, but they are beautiful!

[Slowcountry Balls]

Well, I know nothing of silver snakes, but they are beautiful!

Thanks. I'm really enjoying how they look, but curious about their genetics.

[Asherah]

Not entirely sure what you have going on here, but it is producing some stunning snakes. The original female certainly seems to be a bit more than your regular pewter. The others I go back and forth about. I could see an argument either way for them.

[Reinz]

Regardless of the answers you find, you sure have some beauties there!

[Slowcountry Balls]

Not entirely sure what you have going on here, but it is producing some stunning snakes. The original female certainly seems to be a bit more than your regular pewter. The others I go back and forth about. I could see an argument either way for them.

Thanks. Hopefully as they grow, it will become apparentl.

Regardless of the answers you find, you sure have some beauties there!

Thanks