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    Butter pied = lesser pied?

    I'm googling like crazy and can find no butter pieds. Are they the same as lesser pieds?

    What's up with their eyes? http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/lesser-pied/

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    Re: Butter pied = lesser pied?

    Yes they are the same as lesser and butter are the same.

    As for the eyes Lesser/Butter Pied tend to have eye issues (Small eyes)

    Just like super lesser and butter can have eye issues too (bug eyes)
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    I would guess that a butter pied would be the same thing as a lesser pied. Every time I see a butter put into a morph it would look exactly like anything lesser. Kingpins still look like butter pins, and whether you have a queenbee with lesser or queenbee with butter, they are both called queenbee... so really, I high think that a butter pied would look exactly like a lesser pied. Maybe I am wrong though as I have never seen one myself either.

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    Re: Butter pied = lesser pied?

    Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't Lesser and Butter allelic? Similar to Banana and Coral Glow or Cinnamon and Black Pastel?


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    Re: Butter pied = lesser pied?

    Quote Originally Posted by CedarRiverReptiles View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't Lesser and Butter allelic? Similar to Banana and Coral Glow or Cinnamon and Black Pastel?


    ~CRR
    I realized I made a mistake here, so I'm correcting myself. Black Pastel and Cinnamon are allelic. Butter and Lesser or Coral Glow and Banana are the same gene. They were just produced by two different breeders, most likely around the same time, and given different names because the gene had not been established yet.

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    Lesser x Lesser = Super (BEL)
    Butter x Butter = Super (BEL)
    Lesser x Butter = Super (BEL)
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    0.1 Lesser Platinum
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    Re: Butter pied = lesser pied?

    Lesser, butter, mojave and honey are all allelic. Whether butter and lesser are truly different mutations at the same locus remains to be proven, but they may well be indicative of different haplotypes because the morphs they produce are distinct enough.

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