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    Need help

    Ive got a normal female, not 2 clued up with the genetics, what male can i purchase to have the best possibility to produce proper morph hatchlings.

    Hope im making sense.

    Thanks for the help

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    First, it depends on the female. If she's bright, reduced pattern, etc. then you pair her to the brighter morphs to attempt to make the offspring look better than the parent. Same goes if she's dark, then you look for darker morph males. If she has a crazy pattern then you look for males where the morph is noted for its odd pattern.

    Second, if you want all morph babies then the stud will have to be either a super or allelic-type morph, e.g. lesser-mohave (BEL) or vanilla cream (fire vanilla).

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    If you were to breed a super morph to a normal, all babies would be the co-dominate form of the super.

    Breed a normal to a super pastel, all babies would come out pastels. Breed a normal to a super cinnamon, all babies would come out cinnamon.

    Another one is hard for me to personally explain. If you have a vanilla cream (vanilla fire) and bred that to a normal, 50% chance to come out either fire or vanilla. Same thing with a puma (spark yellowbelly). 50% chance outcome of sparks and yellowbellies.

    You could also breed the normal to a recessive morph like a pied or clown. A visual recessive will give normals 100% het pie/clown/axanthic or what ever recessive you choose.

    If you want a lot of different morphs, you may have to find a snake with a lot of different morphs. If you bred a Queenbee to a normal you have a chance of...
    12.5% 1/8 Queenbee
    12.5% 1/8 Pastel, Lesser Platinum
    12.5% 1/8 Lesserbee
    12.5% 1/8 Lesser Platinum
    12.5% 1/8 Bumblebee
    12.5% 1/8 Pastel
    12.5% 1/8 Spider
    12.5% 1/8 Normal

    It really depends on what you want the outcome to be. It is all by chance. If you are not too sure of genetics, you can use world of ball python genetics wizard or BHB reptiles genetics wizard and play around
    Last edited by lunasjy; 05-26-2015 at 11:48 AM.

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    Re: Need help

    Quote Originally Posted by bcr229 View Post
    First, it depends on the female. If she's bright, reduced pattern, etc. then you pair her to the brighter morphs to attempt to make the offspring look better than the parent. Same goes if she's dark, then you look for darker morph males. If she has a crazy pattern then you look for males where the morph is noted for its odd pattern.

    Second, if you want all morph babies then the stud will have to be either a super or allelic-type morph, e.g. lesser-mohave (BEL) or vanilla cream (fire vanilla).
    The term "allelic-type morph" does not make sense here. If the trait is heritable, then each parents contribute one allele at a given locus for a specific gene. Alleles are just a term for a given variant within a trait.

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    Re: Need help

    Quote Originally Posted by JoshSloane View Post
    The term "allelic-type morph" does not make sense here. If the trait is heritable, then each parents contribute one allele at a given locus for a specific gene. Alleles are just a term for a given variant within a trait.
    I meant a designer morph such as a BEL, vanilla cream, etc. where two different alleles sit on the same locus, as opposed to a "super" morph such as a super pastel where all of the offspring will be pastel.

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    No offense but your explanation still doesn't make sense. You can create something like a BEL with two identical alleles at the same locus on homologous chromosomes. You can make a BEL with lesser x lesser, Mojave x Mojave, butter x butter. These are the genotypes of the "super" traits in which subsequent offspring would all have the same morphological traits. BELs that have a Mojave and butter genotype would also produce a BEL phenotype but that individual would transfer the Mojave trait 50% of the time, and the butter trait 50% of the time at that distinct locus. Its important to understand but the geno and phenotype of the individual.

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    Any dom or co-dom single gene or combo male will do, now the questions are.

    What do you like best? Always work with what YOU like, this will give you an idea of what's out there http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/

    What is your budget? Always get the most genes for the money when picking out a male.
    Deborah Stewart


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    Re: Need help

    Thanks guys.. Uve been plenty help... Il loom around and see what is available close 2 me... I live i South Africa

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    Re: Need help

    A pic of my Normal BP she is about 3 months old...

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