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    This is a normal, I'm not crazy, right?

    So I just bought a breeding pair of het pieds about a month ago, and this is the female. The guy I bought them from kept say she "looks black pastelish" and could possibly be a black pastel. She's clearly not, which isn't a big deal since I just wanted the het pieds. However I'm 99.9999% sure she's just a pretty normal and he's crazy. Opinions?



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    She isn't a black pastel,

    but she is a very pretty normal het. pied
    YouTube channel; https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCue...yj1vBeeIUZVl2Q

    Females;
    Normal 100% het. Hypo, Lesser Pastel, Super Fire, Leopard, Mojave, Pastel het. Piebald, Orange Ghost, Pastel 100% het. Clown, Normal (very clean and reduced patterned) 100% het. Clown, Enchi, Pinstripe, Black Pewter, Albino 100% het. Piebald, Normal 66% ph Hypo, Normal 66% ph Piebald

    Males;
    Clown, Super Pastel Calico, HGWG, Pastel 100% het Piebald, Cardamon Fire 50% ph Hypo, Banana, GHI, Cinnamon 66%ph Pieb
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    Re: This is a normal, I'm not crazy, right?

    I'm by no means an expert but black pastels have more consistent black and more reddish tone in my experience. so... I don't think you're crazy.

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    Doesn't look like a black pastel to me.

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    Not even black pastel-ish.

    It's a normal. Or technically a het peid, but still.

    It seems to me there are more and more people out there who think every normal they see or own looks like a morph of some kind. I think it traces back to the guys who have been doing this for decades, looking through a batch of imported "normals", picking out a slightly different one and BANG 5 years down the line a new morph appears!! Therefore, all normals MUST be a "morph something", right ?

    The reality is, for every one odd looking "normal" that turns out to produce a new morph of some kind, there are thousands that remain "just normals". Even the biggest names in the business can tell you, 99.9 times out of 1oo, the oddish looking baby they snagged from the batch of imports proved to be nothing more than an oddish looking normal. And it has happened more than once, that even a "what the heck is that thing!" import did not reproduce itself. It hatched out a fluke, and not a reproducible trait. And that really would make me sad.

    So yes, the guy who sold her to you is a little out there. And I sincerely hope for your sake, they really are het pieds.

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    Re: This is a normal, I'm not crazy, right?

    The snake is a normal and I have no idea if you are crazy...
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    1.0 Lesser Pied, 1.0 VPI Snow, 1.0 Super Pastel Mojave, 1.1 Albino het VPI Axanthic G-Stripe, 1.0 Albino Black Pastel, 2.2 Triple het VPI Axanthic/Albino/Pied, 1.1 Triple het VPI Axanthic/Albino/G-Stripe, 0.1 Pastel BEL(Mojave/Lesser), 0.1 Sterling Mojave, 0.2 Pied, 0.2 Kingpin het Pied, 0.1 Cinnamon Lesser het Pied, 0.2 Clown, 0.1 Citrus Pewter Calico, 0.1 Pastel Mystic, 0.1 Mystic, 0.2 Cinnapin, 0.1 VPI Axanthic G-Stripe, 0.1 G-Stripe het Albino, 0.1 G-Stripe, 0.1 Pewter, 0.1 Lesser, 0.2 Spider ph Pied, 0.1 Spotnose ph Pied, 0.1 Spinner, 0.1 Black Pastel, 0.1 Normal

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    Don't know you well enough to claim your mental status but that is a normal until proven otherwise.

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    Re: This is a normal, I'm not crazy, right?

    Thanks, I was pretty sure she was just a normal, although I'm really praying she is an actual het pied. I guess I'll see when she lays this spring,

    I can understand how easy it can be to mistake several of the morphs for normals, because I had a yellowbelly male that I had posted pictures of on this forum, and had 10-15 people swear it was a normal, only to have a breeder see it this fall and buy it on the spot because he did end up being a yellowbelly.
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