Double Sire Question.

[Joe Massey]

hi guys,

supposing you have 2 males, 1 lesser and the second one is a normal 100% het for lavender albino. you breed them successfully with a normal female and you get a mix of hatchlings, both lesser and normals..

would it mean that the normal morphs on the clutch are the offspring of the 100% het lavender albino and would be 50% het for lavender albino as well?

any input would be great. thanks

[Masonic]

From my understanding if you get lessers in the clutch then the lesser sired the clutch and there would be nothing het lavender albino.

[Joe Massey]

what if the clutch were to be a mix of normals and lessers? given that the male 100% het for lavender albino was able to successfully breed with my female..

[Velrys]

Yes, you are almost correct.

There are not two sires per egg but two sires per clutch so You will get Offspring from male A and male B but no offspring with traits from A and B.

When I say "there are" I mean in the VERY RARE occurrence of two sires in a clutch which is the result of the animal using diapause. But this probably wont happen

However...

In this case you are not entirely accurate in your math. The normals from the het. albino would indeed be 50%. But dont forget a lesser on normal will result in half the clutch being normals which will be indistinguishable from the normal het. albino possibilities.

The degree to which the clutch is split will dictate the actual percentage for het. albino. Since there is no way to determine which normals are which you could get the normals are about 25% het. albino but could really be 50% to 0%.

Most importantly, there is no way to determine if you have a clutch from two sires in your case short of proofing for the het. albino. Since normals are produced from both pairings there is no evidence to point to what actually happened. Even if you get no Lessers you cant assume the het. albino sired the clutch, you may have just had bad luck and gotten zero lessers.

I think it would really be a waste of time to breed these males on the same female. Just breed one or the other.

[coldbloodaddict]

The Normals could be from the Lesser...

There is no way to know if the het produced any of the babies.


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[Joe Massey]

what if the clutch were to be a mix of normals and lessers? given that the male 100% het for lavender albino was able to successfully breed with my female..

Ive seen a lot of people sire 2 males with different morphs in 1 female and the get offsprings from each males. that's why i wounder if it would also be the same for recessive morphs.

[coldbloodaddict]

It is, but you can't see the Recessive Hets like you can the incomplete Doms.




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[Joe Massey]

i see.. good point on that guys.. it would be such a long, very long process to prove out if the normals are indeed hets.. i guess i'll have to swap the 100% normal het for lavender albino with a spider instead. that way i could get spiders and/or lessers.

[coldbloodaddict]

had you bred a super butter to her then you would know the normals came from the het.


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[Joe Massey]

how can one tell?