What am I?

[Jemp]

Hey all,
Need a little help here figuring out what these 2 hatchlings are. The parents were a Black Pastel, Pastel, Lesser, Pinstripe x Spider.


Here are the 2 side by side:






I have a decent idea what they are but i would like to get some other opinions. My Guess is the top one is a Queen Spin (Pastel, Lesser, Spider, Pinstripe) and the Bottom is a Black Pastel King Spin (Black Pastel, Lesser, Spider, Pinstripe)

Thanks to all.

[Bigfish1975]

I'd agree that's what they are....Very pretty animals.

[ZBReptiles]

Definitely a Black Pastel Kingspin on the bottom.
If I had to take a guess at the top, I'd say either some type of Black Pastel, or the Queen Spin.
Very pretty babies!

[Jemp]

See I wanna say the top one has Black pastel in it too, the lines are pretty dark for a Queenspin, and the head is pretty dark too. All the Queenspins I have seen have have pretty clean heads. But that would make it a Quint and it just doesnt have enough pattern compared to the pics I have seen online, never hatched a Queenspin or a Quint so this is new territory for me. Thanks for all your input.

[Sammiebob]

Might just be me, but I don't see the spider gene showing up on the bottom one. Both are very very pretty though!

[Freakie_frog]

So was there one sire and you listed the mutations in the dad or is that all the males that bred the female?

[aalomon]

I see two black kingspins, one just is more reduced. I dont think either of them have a pastel gene.

[Jemp]

Might just be me, but I don't see the spider gene showing up on the bottom one. Both are very very pretty though!

Just one sire, these are clutch mates so same sire.

[Sammiebob]

These are clutch mates so same sire.

Just because they are clutch mates and have the same sire, doesn't mean they both have to have the spider gene. The top one looks like it has spinner in it, bottom looks like it just has pinstripe.

[Jemp]

Just because they are clutch mates and have the same sire, doesn't mean they both have to have the spider gene. The top one looks like it has spinner in it, bottom looks like it just has pinstripe.

Correct, i am aware it dosent mean they both have to have the spider gene. Below is a pic of my Black Pastel Kingpin (bottom snake without the spider gene)






Here is another pic of the 2 snakes in the first post side by side