Question about quality

[Gerardo]

IS there morphs where the quality doesnt matter? Is there a morph that doesnt have too much variance and there is no low or high quality?

[SteelCity905]

Quality can be what ever you like. Breed stuff your into, not what other people like


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[Freakie_frog]

To me Champagnes are that way.

[Royal Hijinx]

While quality is subjective, there most efinitly are low and high quality examples of every morph.

High quality examples leave ZERO doubt as to what the mutation is. Look at a screamer Yellowbelly compared to a "subtle" one. In theis case quality = strength of the morph phenotype. IMO this is not terribly negotiable.

Now, quality in realtion to other factors, such as "clean", "busy" etc... leaves a lot more room for interpretation.

As for the OP's original question. IMO the answer really is no. There are high and low quality examples of everything that I can think of off the top of my head.

[PitOnTheProwl]

It varys per person.
I dont mind a browning pastel because blushing is more what I am looking for. Just as an example.

[SteelCity905]

While quality is subjective, there most efinitly are low and high quality examples of every morph.

High quality examples leave ZERO doubt as to what the mutation is. Look at a screamer Yellowbelly compared to a "subtle" one. In theis case quality = strength of the morph phenotype. IMO this is not terribly negotiable.

Now, quality in realtion to other factors, such as "clean", "busy" etc... leaves a lot more room for interpretation.

As for the OP's original question. IMO the answer really is no. There are high and low quality examples of everything that I can think of off the top of my head.

Well said! I was referring more to busy and reduced pattern animals. Different people like different things


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[alan12013]

What about a BEL???? I've heard people say that a dirty BEL sells for the same as a solid white? That is the only one that comes to mind.

Regarding what Robert said about browned out pastels and blushing... I agree that you can have an amazing pastel with good yellow but amazing blushing. If there was ever a pedigree of sorts I really would like the pastels in 2 directions because if you look at my favorite lemon pastel (his pic is on my gallery, you can tell which one) the pattern is completely different and even works to highlight the yellow better. The pastels I ended up with look amazing though in my opinion because their pattern is more traditional I guess you could say but with amazing blushing, contrast and even a bit of white up the side. I really look forward to playing around with pastels over the next X years. I know it's been done but until you do things yourself sometimes the desire is always there.

[Pythonfriend]

there are many examples.


albino. sure, some have improved contrast due to line-breeding efforts or other added codominants, but generally its all the same gene. not much variance at all.

then i would also say piebald. if they are high white or low white is affected by some other codominant morphs but apart from that generally random. sure, some hets have nice markers, but then, unless its leopard het pied, who cares, as long as the pieds look nice.

you can alter certain factors of every morph due to line-breeding, but that does not mean that the piebald gene or the albino gene really is changed or improved. once you cross it into other morphs, the results of line-breeding get diluted.

i think REAL differences in the quality of a certain morph, that are not the product of other genes or line-breeding efforts, are quite rare and limited to morphs where we really have a bunch of distinct different lines from africa.

so its quite limited.

While quality is subjective, there most efinitly are low and high quality examples of every morph.

High quality examples leave ZERO doubt as to what the mutation is. Look at a screamer Yellowbelly compared to a "subtle" one. In theis case quality = strength of the morph phenotype. IMO this is not terribly negotiable.

Now, quality in realtion to other factors, such as "clean", "busy" etc... leaves a lot more room for interpretation.

As for the OP's original question. IMO the answer really is no. There are high and low quality examples of everything that I can think of off the top of my head.

depending on definitions, this is either true for absolutely all cases and rather trivial, or when you use a different definition and exclude polygenetic traits, its not true for most cases.

if someone wants to line-breed pastels or do some other line-breeding project, i think thats fine, but you have to start with the very best and improve on what others have done the past years. otherwise its not worth the effort, if you invest 5 years to get a pastel that is just like the very best ones you can buy today, except that you started with cheaper stuff and are now 5 years behind. its a very long-term project. i guess i would not have the patience, but rather check out what line-breeding projects other breeders are running, and buy different morphs of high quality, and then do the usual multi-gene morph recombination game. hoping that the results of the different line-breeding projects turn out to be somewhat compatible, which is reasonable, when you breed a really nice pastel to a really nice fire and both are line-bred for improved contrast and reduced pattern and overall brightness, you should get some really nice fireflies.

[Gerardo]

Thanks for the replies. Good comments.