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Pie Bald + Normal.
Hey guys,
So I'm a new owner and currently own a regular female ball python (which was given to us by a person leaving the country.)
And we just purchased a male pie bald python. We do plan on eventually mating them since they both haven't reached the required weights. However, I'm curious to know what sort of morphs the two would generate.
I live in Qatar and even the store owners do not know much about morphs so I'm hoping you guys will be able to help me 
Our babies:
http://imgur.com/peq1uQj,esEvr5b#0
http://imgur.com/peq1uQj,esEvr5b#1
Any sort of help appreciated 
Kind regards,
Jatin KIran
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You would produce babies that were normal looking, but het for Pied...
Lucifer Sam, Siam cat...
Always sitting by your side,
Always by your side...
That cat's something I can't explain...
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Re: Pie Bald + Normal.
 Originally Posted by sho220
You would produce babies that were normal looking, but het for Pied...
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Like sho220 said, they would be het for pied.
A bit more about the genetics:
Piebald is recessive, meaning you need two of the genes to physically display the trait.
So say AA was piebald, and BB was normal, if you bred them together, all the babies would only have AB for their genes, which is considered "het", or heterozygous, for that gene.
If you bred a piebald to a het for piebald, it would be AA cross AB, which could give you the four possible outcomes of AA, AA, AB, AB, meaning you have a 50% chance at a pied, 50% chance at a het for pied.
If you bred two het piebalds together, thats AB cross AB, giving you AA, AB, AB, BB. So you have a 25% chance at making a pied, 50% chance at making a het for pied, 25% chance at making a normal. Since you can't tell a het from a normal, then you just say its a 75% chance at making a 66% het for pied. That means theres a 66% chance that normal looking one is het for pied.
The easy way to explain how to get the possible outcomes is in whats called a Mendel's square:

In this case it talks about albino, but its also recessive like piebald, and uses A for non albino, a for albino. The p just stands for probability, showing the 50% and 25% chance I talked about.
Also, piebald to piebald gives all piebald.
Last edited by towelie4365; 07-05-2014 at 03:41 PM.
1.0 Pied |
0.1 Pied het Albino |
1.0 Albino het Pied |
0.1 Hog Island Boa |
0.1 het Albino, 50% het Pied |
0.1 Black lab |
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Re: Pie Bald + Normal.
Thanks a bunch dude
I'm going to have to look into this now 
Sort of looking into buying a bumble bee pastel male.
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A bumblebee is a pastel x spider
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I own:
1.0 Reduced Normal Ball Python [Peter]
0.1 Harlequin Crestie [Amelia]
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The other half owns:
1.0 Orange Dalmatian Crestie [Archie]
0.1 Golden Dalmatian Crestie [Banana]
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Re: Pie Bald + Normal.
 Originally Posted by George1994
A bumblebee is a pastel x spider 
So what happens if you cross a bumble bee with a pie bald? :x
http://imgur.com/HWHogM4 the one I had my eye on
Last edited by hollowfaiths; 07-07-2014 at 12:29 PM.
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Re: Pie Bald + Normal.
If you wanna breed the pied to the bumblebee you might want to get a female .
Money can't buy happiness, but it can buy snakes and that's pretty close
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Re: Pie Bald + Normal.
 Originally Posted by hollowfaiths
Het pied bumblebee
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I own:
1.0 Reduced Normal Ball Python [Peter]
0.1 Harlequin Crestie [Amelia]
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The other half owns:
1.0 Orange Dalmatian Crestie [Archie]
0.1 Golden Dalmatian Crestie [Banana]
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hollowfaiths (07-07-2014)
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Re: Pie Bald + Normal.
That's the plan since our Pied is male 
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Thank you for all the help c: hope you guys don't get tired of my noob questions
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