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    WV: List of proposed "dangerous wild animals" to be released later this week

    http://www.charlestondailymail.com/article/20140609/DM01/140609217/1298

    Article is absurd, I won't even comment on the first word in it, I had no idea that dolphins or whales in pools had ever been a problem in this state, and as for putting sugar gliders on the list... sheer idiocy.

    Now I know why WV is considered to have the lowest-educated population of all the states.

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    Alpacas and hedgehogs are on the list, but primates and zebras aren't?

    http://www.charlestondailymail.com/a...140619767/1276

    So, the list is now out but no one except the HSUS and the newspapers has managed to snag a copy yet. The claimed link to the list in the article is broken.

    My take: HSUS is not happy that WV is stepping outside of HSUS's agenda when creating the ban list.

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    The link works if you have google drive...Its not a pretty list

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    Class Amphibia (Amphibians)
    Order Gymnophonia (Caecilians)
    All species
    Order Caudata
    All species (native species which are covered by Chapter 20)
    Order Anura (Frogs and Toads)
    Famiy Pipidae (African clawed frogs)
    All species
    Family Hylidae (tree frogs)
    All species (Native species are covered by Chapter 20.)
    Family Bufonidae (cane toads)
    All species (Native species are covered by Chapter 20.)
    Justification
    The listed amphibians present threat of disease introduction (chytridiomycosis, ranavirus) and/or
    possess invasive characteristics. Some animals also secrete toxins harmful to humans.
    Class Aves (Birds)
    Monk or Quaker parakeet (Myiopsitta monachus)
    Cuckoo (Family Cuculidae)
    Sky lark (Alauda arvensis)
    Fruit thrushes or bulbuls (Family Pycnonotidae)
    Red-whiskered bulbul (Pycnonotus jocosus)
    European blackbird (Turdus merula)
    Mistle thrush (Turdus viscivorous)
    Fieldfare (Turdus pilaris)
    Song thrush (Turdus philomena)
    White eyes (Genus Zosterops)
    Weaver birds (Genus Ploceus)
    Madagascar weaver (Foudia madagascariensis)
    Weaver finches (Genus Passer)
    Dioch or Red-billed quelea (Quelea quelea)
    Cowbirds except native species (Genus Molothrus)
    Blackbirds except native species (Genus Quiscalus)
    Yellowhammer (Emberiza citronella)
    Java sparrow (Padda oryzivora/Lonchura oryzivora)
    Spotted munia (Lonchura punctulata)
    Starlings (Family Sturnidae)
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    Pink starling (Sturnus roseus)
    Justification
    These are social species that easily adapt to new environments and become nuisances by developing
    large populations, outcompeting native species, and causing agricultural damage.
    Class Reptilia (Reptiles)
    Order Tuatara (Rhyncocephala)
    All species
    Order Crocodilia (Crocodiles, caimans, gharials)
    All species
    Order Testudines (Turtles)
    All species (Native species are covered by Chapter 20.)
    *Refer to Title 21 CFR 1240.62 (Public Health Services Act) for carapace size restrictions
    Justification
    Turtles are restricted because they present the threat of disease to humans and introducing disease in
    to the natural environment and for the welfare of the animals.
    Order Squamata (snakes and lizards)
    Family Varanidae (monitors)
    Nile monitor (Varanus niloticus)
    Komodo dragon (Varanus komodoensis)
    Family Elapidae (Cobras, mambas, sea snakes,etc.)
    All species
    Family Viperidae
    All species except timber rattlesnake (Crotalus horridus)and copperhead (Agkistron contortix) which are
    covered by Chapter 20.
    Family Colubridae
    Genus Rhabdophis (keelback snakes)
    All species
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    Genus Boiga (cat snakes)
    All species
    Genus Thelotornis (twig snakes)
    Genus Dispholidus (boomslang)
    Boomslang (Dispholidus typus)
    Family Atractispididae (mole vipers)
    All species
    Family Boidae
    Genus Eunectes (anacondas)
    All species
    Genus Python (Pythons)
    Burmese (Indian) python (Python molurus)
    North African Rock python (Python sebae)
    South African Rock python (Python natalensis)
    Reticulated python (Broghammerus reticulatus) P. reticulatus
    Genus Morelia
    Amethystine python (Morelia amethystine)
    Justification
    These snakes possess venom and/or extreme size and strength and present a threat to humans and
    pets.
    Class Malacostraca (Crayfish)
    Order Decapoda
    Family Cambaridae
    Genus Orconectes
    Virile crayfish (Orconectes virilis)
    Rusty crayfish (Orconectes rusticus)
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    Genus Procambarus
    Red lobster, Red swamp crayfish (Procambarus clarkii)
    Justification
    Virile and Rusty crayfish are highly invasive and currently established in West Virginia. Red swamp
    crayfish are very highly invasive and established in NW Ohio and the C&O canal but not yet in WV. All
    species are sold to schools through biological supply companies.
    Class Gastropoda (Snails)
    Family Viviparidae
    Genus Bellamya
    Chinese Mystery Snail (Bellamya (Cipangopaludina) chinensis)
    Family Spiraxidae
    Genus Euglandina
    Rosy wolf snail (Euglandina rosea)
    Family Achatinidae
    Genus Achatina
    Giant African land snail (Achatina fulica)
    Gian African land snail (Achatina achatina)
    Genus Archachatina
    African Giant Snail (Archachatina marginata)
    Family Hydrobiidae
    Genus Potamopyrgus
    New Zealand Mudsnail (Potamopyrgus antipodarum)
    Family Bithyniidae
    Genus Bithynia
    Faucet snail (Bithynia tentaculata)
    Justification
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    These snails are introduced through pet stores, biological supply companies, and in ship ballast. They
    present health risks to humans, threaten wildlife habitat, and potentially threaten aquatic life.
    Class Bivalvia (Bivalves)
    Order Veneroida
    Family Dreissenidae
    Genus Dreissena
    Zebra mussel (Dreissena polymorpha)
    Quagga mussel (Dreissena rostriformis)
    Family Corbiculidae
    Genus Corbicula
    Asiatic clam (Corbicula fluminea)
    Justification
    Zebra mussels, Quagga mussels, and Asiatic clams invade, occupy, and degrade vast areas of aquatic
    habitat. They colonize and impair navigation structures, water control structures (e.g. locks), and water
    intake pipes.
    Class Actinopterygii (Ray-finned fishes)
    Order Cyprinodontiformes
    Family Poeciliidae
    Genus Gambusia
    Mosquito fish (Gambusia affinis)
    Order Tetraodontiformes (trigger fish, file fish, puffer fish)
    All species
    Order Perciformes
    Family Gobiidae (Goby family)
    All species
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    Family Channidae
    Genus Channa (snakehead fish)
    All species
    Order Cypriniformes
    Family Cobitidae
    Genus Misgurnus
    Oriental weatherfish (Misgurnus anguillicaudatus)
    Order Characiformes (piranha fish, tiger fish)
    All species
    Order Siluriformes (candiru catfish, walking catfish)
    All spec ies
    Justification
    These species present health (toxin) and safety risks to humans or have invasive abilities that threaten
    native fish populations.
    Class Mammalia (Mammals)
    Order Primates
    All species except those in family Hominidae
    Order Edentata (sloths, anteaters, armadillos, etc.)
    All species.
    Order Didelphimorphia (marsupials or pouched mammals)
    All species.
    Order Insectivora (shrews, moles, hedgehogs, etc.)
    All species.
    Order Dermoptera (gliding lemurs)
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    All species.
    Order Chiroptera (bats)
    All species.
    Order Monotremata (spiny anteaters, platypuses)
    All species.
    Order Pholidota (pangolins, scaly anteaters)
    All species.
    Order Lagomorpha (pikas, rabbits, hares)
    All species, except domesticated races of rabbits and those subject to Chapter 20
    Order Rodentia (rodents)
    All species, except domesticated golden hamsters, also known as Syrian hamster, Mesocricetus auratus;
    domesticated races of rats or mice (white or albino; trained, dancing or spinning, laboratory-reared);
    and domestic strains of guinea pig (Cavia porcellus).
    Order Carnivora (carnivores)
    All species except domestic dogs (Canis familiaris) and domestic cats (Felis catus) and species subject
    to Chapter 20. Hybrid crosses between two species in Order Carnivora (including domestic species) are
    also prohibited.
    Order Tubulidentata (aardvarks)
    All species.
    Order Proboscidea (elephants)
    All species.
    Order Hyracoidea (hyraxes)
    All species.
    Order Sirenia (dugongs, manatees)
    All species.
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    Order Perissodactyla (horses, tapirs, rhinoceroses, etc.) except domestic horses, mustangs,
    donkeys, and mules.
    All species except those of the family Equidae.
    Order Artiodactyla (swine, peccaries, giraffes, camels, deer, elk, moose, antelopes, cattle, goats,
    sheep, etc.) All species except: domestic swine of the family Suidae; except elk, deer, American bison,
    which are subject to Chapter 20 and domestic cattle, sheep and goats of the family Bovidae;
    Order Afrosoricidae (golden moles, tenrecs)
    All species
    Order Diprotodontia (sugar gliders)
    All species
    Order Cingulata (New World armadillos)
    All species
    Order Macroscelidae (elephant shrews)
    All species
    Order Pilosa (3 toed sloths)
    All species
    Order Macroscelidae (elephant shrews)
    All species
    Order Scandentia (tree shrews)
    All species
    Order Soricomorpha (shrews)
    All species except those species addressed by Chapter 20.
    Order Dasyuromorphia (Tasmanian Devils, numbats, etc.)
    All species
    Order Peramelemorphia (bandicoots, bilbys)
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    All species
    Order Erinaceomorphia (African pygmy hedgehogs)
    All species
    Order Microbiotheria (monito del monte)
    All species
    Order Cetacea (whales, dolphins)
    All species
    Order Notoryctemorphia (marsupial moles)
    All species
    Order Paucituberculata (shrew possums)
    All species
    Justifications
    Mammals of the orders Primates, Edentata, Didelphimorphia, Insectivora, Dermoptera, Chiroptera,
    Monotremata, Pholidota, Tubulidentata, Proboscidea, Perissodactyla, Hyracoidea, Sirenia and Carnivora
    are restricted for the welfare of the animals, except animals of the orders Lagomorpha, Rodentia, and
    Artiodactyla, and of the families Viverridae and Mustelidae in the order Carnivora are restricted because
    such animals are undesirable and a menace to native wildlife, the agricultural interests of the state, or to
    the public health or safety.
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    Re: WV: List of proposed "dangerous wild animals" to be released later this week

    Well it looks like CA. and WV are friends now. I know that CA doesnt have all the same animals on its list but wow. I didnt know that tree frogs posed a threat to me or my other pets, you know the ones not on the list. To any WV natives, this is a low blow to any and all with a passion for animals.
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    I sent the writer a letter to the hack of a writer cause jesus that was horribly written. What do people in West Virginia smoke?

    I think that there needs to be control in your office as far as quality assurance. My head hurts after reading the nonsense WV comes up. Add upon that ignorance your lack of post inpsection of your writing makes for a terrible read.

    Example :

    You wrote - "Airing on the safe side"
    What is should be - "err on the side of caution"
    You wrote - Monday it’s probably best to recommend residents can’t keep pet whales in their pools.
    What it should be - Monday that it is recommended to residents, they not keep pet whales in their pools.

    WHO THE F@ck KEEPS WHALES IN THEIR POOLS.

    What do you smoke in West Virginia. Jesus H. Christ.

    Feel free to send me proofs of what you would like to publish next time. At least then someone can ensure proper grammar is utilized.

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    Horrifying.
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    As more and more laws are being piled up, I think it's time that some start looking into seeing what we can do to alter or remove them as what was done in Illinois before we're eventually locked in an animalless society. While an ounce of prevention is worth more than a pound of cure, sometimes it's obviously too late to focus on prevention so we must start planning on how to tackle it with the cure. Whatever it is, if you're like me and you hate seeing this load of bull-honky, it's worth it to try something as opposed to sitting around and doing nothing.
    However, as I do not live within WV, my recommendation would be for residents to meet up at local herpetological societies to discuss some sort of game plan as opposed to complaining and accepting a loss.

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    Re: WV: List of proposed "dangerous wild animals" to be released later this week

    Quote Originally Posted by pythonminion View Post
    ...my recommendation would be for residents to meet up at local herpetological societies to discuss some sort of game plan as opposed to complaining and accepting a loss.
    We have a group on Facebook called "WV_Reptile Watch" where information on the date/time/location of the public meetings is now being disseminated - information on prior meetings wasn't publicized. People are also organizing car pools to the meetings.

    Once the public comment period is open there will be info on where to send it as well as talking points.

    We have also reached out to groups that were also affected but didn't have this bill on their radar when it was introduced because the way it was being discussed/debated - lions and tigers and bears, OH MY!!! - no one really thought the list would include alpacas, turtles, parakeets, hedgehogs, catfish, or sugar gliders. I am honestly surprised that boas did not make the list.
    Last edited by bcr229; 06-12-2014 at 11:24 PM.

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    As was pointed out, the Board met last month and created a list of species to include in the ban. It is huge and available at http://www.ronedmedia.com/wvaquarium...ptile2014.html

    The public comment period started 7/2 and ends at the end of this month. USARK posted the official proposed rule/regulation listing dangerous wild animals for WV on their web page for easy access.
    http://www.usark.org/wp-content/uplo...nd-Comment.pdf

    Not only do you need to send in a public comment, but this is an election year. The list of who voted for/against the law is available at http://legiscan.com/WV/bill/HB4393/2014. If your Senator and Delegate voted correctly, then thank them and plesae help get them re-elected. If they didn't, go help the challenger.

    I've also submitted a LTE in my local paper to alert people. It should be printed in the next few days.
    Last edited by bcr229; 07-03-2014 at 01:36 PM.

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