Huge enclosure set-up

[cheaversg]

I put this post in another thread and got no answers. I dont have a big enclosure im just curious.

I still dont understand why you cant have a ball in a big enclosure?
hahaha maybe its just me but the way I see it is if its in the wild, would it not have the "whole world" to discover.
I can see some of your guys no's to it if its a baby and will have comfortability issues, but if its an adult why not have a huge oversized tank?
I know my baby is active at night looking around but sleeps all day. why cant i have a huge tank with multiple hides she can hide in?
Especially if in the wild they move from hide to hide not really staying in the same one too long.

To add to this post I actually dont see why a baby cant be in a big tank as well. Wouldn't they go around as pleased?
Have any of you tested this to see if a big tank really stresses a baby snake out or is everyone on this topic speaking from word of mouth?
Isnt the wild world a pretty big environment compared to the tank? don't babies do fine in the wild?

It would be great if someone can answer this question for me.
Just dont answer the question unless youve tested it personally, can provide a thorough explanation, or direct me to an article with a explanation.
I dont want to hear they like tight spaces because the world doesn't press against there sides, yes there hides might but there enclosures arent hides.
I do not except that as an explanation.

[cheaversg]

I also read the article in this thread that leads me to believe they might like bigger enclosures.

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...n-eating-again

[CryHavoc17]

In my opinion there is absolutely nothing wrong with using a bigger set up for a ball python of any age. I have adult balls in 4x2x1 cages, I also have babies in CB70 tubs. They have hides for the daytime and they utilize every inch of the cage/tub at night.

Can an adult BP spend its whole life in a CB70 tub and be happy? Absolutely. If you are trying to fit as many animals as possible in a finite space (as most breeders and prospective breeders are) its a perfectly valid husbandry strategy. Now if keeping a huge collection isnt your cup of tea, and you'd like to see a little more active behavior from your snakes then a tub will provide, knock yourself out.

Personally I wont go bigger then 4x2x1 on my adult balls because its kind of a waste. They utilize all that space well, but any bigger is unnecessary

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[cheaversg]

yea I understand that if you need the space why do it. but Ive seen people on here strongly advise against it.
Does putting a baby ball in a 40 gallon enclosure really cause stress? It doesnt make sense to me that it would.

[h20hunter]

We have an adult healthy and happy female bp in a 100 gallon tank. I have custom lids to keep in humidty, she has three hides, good plant like stuff, a basking perch, a log for climbing and rubbing, a big 'ol water dish, some over head heat, some under heat, gets fed in her enclosure, sheds great, and eats like a champ. If the husbandry is there, they are eating....then what else matters. Surely not a dimension that may be right or wrong depending on who you ask.

[jclaiborne]

enclosure sizes are guidelines. It's kind of like everyone saying 2 hides is "required", that isn't necessarily true, HOWEVER that being said a lot of people find this site that are new to reptiles, that have no experience and the guidlines are a good starting point for them, they are tried and true methods that will set you up for success when keeping your new reptile. As you become more accustomed to keeping reptiles and you have the very basics of husbandry down then you can branch out from said guidelines and see what works for you.

[LadyByrd]

yea I understand that if you need the space why do it. but Ive seen people on here strongly advise against it.
Does putting a baby ball in a 40 gallon enclosure really cause stress? It doesnt make sense to me that it would.

My baby (100 g) bp is in a 50 gallon enclosure. It is really cluttered (so it looks like a forest), but he is not stressed. He actually has become more active since I put him in there than he was in his 10 gallon enclosure. He moves all over the place, sometimes even during the day time.

[dkspftw]

My baby (100 g) bp is in a 50 gallon enclosure. It is really cluttered (so it looks like a forest), but he is not stressed. He actually has become more active since I put him in there than he was in his 10 gallon enclosure. He moves all over the place, sometimes even during the day time.

A lot of movement during the day tends to imply that the animal is not, in fact, comfortable with its surroundings. Somebody recently said that a happy BP is a hiding one, and although I'm pretty new to this myself, I'm discovering that to be true.

[John1982]

I think you should turn an entire room into your ball python enclosure.

[cheaversg]

I think the same im going to find a way to do it someday hahahah