Leopard x pied and candino or toffino x albino?

[chilliscale]

What are the outcomes on these parings? I can't seem to find a direct answer anywhere.

Anyone with experience on these pairings want to chime in?

[Stewart_Reptiles]

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard/

[chilliscale]

I was looking but they don't have the results for those pairings. I was under the impression that leopard was a "het" form for pied. And candy or toffee is compatible with albino too

[Stewart_Reptiles]

They do you just need to read the instruction

Here you can select any gene for a male and "breed" it to a female to see what the outcome will be. In order to select multiple genes for a given snake, simply hold the "ctrl" key while adding more genes.In order to breed a snake to a normal Ball Python, leave one side of the wizard blank and that snake will be treated as normal.

Leopard is not het for pied.

50% Het. Piebald
50% Leopard Ball Het. Piebald

Candino X Albino = 100% Albino Het. Candy

[chilliscale]

So the leopard/pied debate has ben settled?

[OhhWatALoser]

Candino X Albino = 100% Albino Het. Candy

Albino is allelic with Candy.

Male:	Candino
Female:	Albino
Percent	Fraction	Traits
50%	1/2	Candino
50%	1/2	Albino
View Results Page

So the leopard/pied debate has ben settled?

According to Greg G yes.
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...rd-Not-Allelic

Current theory is Pied and Leopard are closely linked, at least closer than any other morphs we know and are harder to separate than normal morphs. However it is possible.

[chilliscale]

Albino is allelic with Candy.

Male:	Candino
Female:	Albino
Percent	Fraction	Traits
50%	1/2	Candino
50%	1/2	Albino
View Results Page

According to Greg G yes.
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...rd-Not-Allelic

Current theory is Pied and Leopard are closely linked, at least closer than any other morphs we know and are harder to separate than normal morphs. However it is possible.

That's what I was looking for Now why couldn't google be that easy?

[chilliscale]

So albino het candy isn't even possible is it?

[OhhWatALoser]

So albino het candy isn't even possible is it?

no, nor is an albino het toffee, everything I have read has said they are all allelic.

[Pythonfriend]

i think the vast majority of leopards out there are still het pied.

and now just a few leopards that are not het pied are out there, but they are rare.

but these few leopards without het pied prove that its two seperate genes and that they are not allelic. 99% or more of leopards will still be het pied, and there are far more super leopard piebalds out there than there are leopards that are not het pied.


and abino / candy / toffee / candino / toffino are really all allelic.

i dont use genetic calculators anymore, i learned to do all these calculations by hand, and genetic calculators have a problem. while the brains of the people on this forum rapidly update themselves as new information comes along, the genetic calculators do not. especially not the one on WOBP. the problem that WOBP wrongly lists a toffino as a double recessive, and falsely claims that a candy x toffee breeding will produce "het candy het toffee", is old and persistent. i wrote them an email asking them to fix it over a year ago. a "het candy het toffee" IS a toffino, and something like "albino het toffee" is impossible, because you can only get a maximum of two of these genes in one BP.

another example: we all know how bamboo works, and that its part of the BEL gene complex. well, WOBP didnt get the memo. so when you try super bamboo x bamboo lesser, you get:

Percent	Fraction	Morph
25%	1/4	Bamboo <---- impossible to get in this pairing
25%	1/4	Super Bamboo <--- wrong odds, needs to be 50%
25%	1/4	Lesser Bamboo <---- wrong odds, needs to be 50%
25%	1/4	Lesser Super Bamboo <---- impossible to get in any pairing

but the genetics calculator at owalreptiles is much better, this calculator gets it right: http://owalreptiles.com/genetics.php thanks and kudos to OhhWatALoser, you are doing an excellent job.