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    Thomas Cobb driven out of neighborhood due to harassment and threats over his boas

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    COTTONWOOD HEIGHTS, Utah — Thomas Cobb, his family and his collection of more than 25 boa constrictors can now live in peace after moving from their suburban Utah neighborhood where controversy over the exotic pets became downright venomous.

    “I left because of the harassment, the scrutiny, the threats. It was just an uncontrolled situation,” Cobb says of the Cottonwood Heights, Utah, neighborhood where he grew up. “People of influence made minimal effort to protect my family from individuals that were forcing their opinion upon us, judging us for something they don’t understand.”

    Beginning last May, concerned residents brought their complaints to the city council, along with a petition signed by several dozen neighbors seeking strict limits on the number of snakes and other exotic pets that could be legally maintained in a home.

    Complaints ranged from health and safety to property values.

    “[Cobb] has created an uncomfortable environment in the neighborhood and it’s not fair,” resident Tobi Paulos, who started the petition, said in an interview with ABC4 news at the time. “We’re concerned about our property values decreasing. I mean that’s a reality — we now have the stigma of the snake neighborhood.”

    Paulos and others pressed the city council to adopt an ordinance making it clear a homeowner was allowed to have just one exotic pet.

    Paulos did not respond to requests for comment this week by The Tribune.

    Cobb has moved out of the city with his large collection of snakes, but the controversy he touched off is still reverberating in Cottonwood Heights City Hall.

    This week city council members decided to move forward on a proposed ordinance that would limit the number of exotic pets allowed a homeowner — five without a permit and up to 25 with a permit. A vote is scheduled for Jan. 28.

    Councilman Mike Peterson, who represents the neighborhood, said many residents there have grown so emotionally involved that they are no longer objective on the issue. However, he said residents outside the area are also concerned.

    Experts from Weber State University have told the city that anywhere between 20 and 50 animals would be acceptable in a home from a health and safety standpoint. The council appears to have settled on 25 as a compromise.

    Mayor Kelvyn Cullimore Jr. does not agree with the restriction, but he is willing to pass the ordinance in deference to resident concerns.

    “I would be happy with 25 just to get this thing done and moving on,” Cullimore told the council. “My personal opinion is I think we’re overreaching. We’re overreaching into people’s private lives as government because we’ve got some people who are being irrational about their fear of snakes.”

    Cullimore said whether the number is 25 or 50, some residents will never be happy with the ordinance.

    “All they’re going to do is criticize us for not just saying no to all of it,’” the mayor said at the meeting.

    Councilman Michael Shelton is concerned that this ordinance infringes on the rights of private property holders. He said as long as the pets are safe and do not have an impact on the neighborhood the government should stay out of it. He noted that there are dangerous possessions, such as guns, that people can have as many of as they want in their homes regardless whether they make neighbors nervous.

    Cobb couldn’t agree more.

    “I think it’s very important that individuals maintain their personal right to do what makes them happy as long as it has no effect upon anybody else and that regardless of situation the pursuit of happiness reigns supreme,” Cobb says. He maintains his boas are safely maintained in separate enclosures inside his home and endanger no one.

    “I’m a law abiding citizen,” Cobb told The Tribune in a telephone interview. “I’m not going to break the law because I want to do something. I’ll go to someplace where I can do what I was doing without being judged.”

    He said things are working out fine in his new neighborhood. But Cobb, who has privacy concerns, would not say where he lives.
    That's downright horrible. If I'm ever treated that way, I'd just tell them "up your's" and remind them what the 2nd amendment says before they try anything risky.
    Their neighborhood has that "stigma" because they had to make a big damn deal out of it.

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    I don't think it's right to be able to tell a private homeowner what they can and can't have on their own, again "PRIVATE", property. That's absurd and a complete breech of one's rights. I can't believe the city council is even considering that. I could understand in a condo association, rental, or an apartment, but in a privately owned home? No.

    However, my question is: How did the neighbors find out he had so many snakes? My neighbors don't even know I have one. Or I'm sure they'd make a fuss too. Granted, I live in an apartment, but still. Why tell anyone you have them? Or especially so many. (Even though to many of us, 25 doesn't seem like many).


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    Re: Thomas Cobb driven out of neighborhood due to harassment and threats over his boa

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    I don't think it's right to be able to tell a private homeowner what they can and can't have on their own, again "PRIVATE", property. That's absurd and a complete breech of one's rights. I can't believe the city council is even considering that. I could understand in a condo association, rental, or an apartment, but in a privately owned home? No.

    However, my question is: How did the neighbors find out he had so many snakes? My neighbors don't even know I have one. Or I'm sure they'd make a fuss too. Granted, I live in an apartment, but still. Why tell anyone you have them? Or especially so many. (Even though to many of us, 25 doesn't seem like many).
    One nosy woman saw he was cleaning out one of the snakes' bins and she had thought he was growing marijuana in it.



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    Yup, one nosy neighbor saw him cleang a bin with a hose in his front yard, and got the police involved. If it was me and I didn't have a family to worry about, I'd be permitted and legally carrying at all time and to heck with what the neighbors thought. But if your wife and kids are being put at risk then it's better to just go somewhere more tolerant.
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    Re: Thomas Cobb driven out of neighborhood due to harassment and threats over his boa

    I wouldn't have moved. I despise horses and cats but if my neighbors have them that's their right and their business. You don't see/hear/smell snakes so why make such a fuss about a neighbor having them?

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    When I first started keeping ball pythons a few summers back I ran into this with a neighbor, She saw me bringing in a new tank for my normal girl and assumed I had a snake. She began poking around in between the two houses and unfortunately for me my snake room is located on the side of the house between me and her she then started looking in windows ( I assume) because she had pictures of my set-ups and how many snakes I owned. She then went to the town and complained I was harboring wild African Rock pythons so in turn the police and DEP investigated us. Once they investigated obliviously her claims were discounted and an apology soon followed from the town and officers who by the way were great and loved my snakes. I am still currently living next to her and still hear her distain for my snakes but she cannot do anything about it. I think we as reptile keepers need to stop running from those who oppose us and stand up for our rights. Our pets are not different then anyone else s we love them and care for them. If it is suitable for my neighbor to have 5 yappy dogs that come in I can have my 11 snakes do we each have to like it NO not at all. Also maybe educating those with a town hall meeting would have been an option in his case, my inviting those in the neighborhood to see his set up and interact with snakes would have made a world of difference. I know my neighbor to the left of my likes when I bring my big normal girl outside for exercise and he hated her at first so times a little exposure to something that triggers fear is all it takes for acceptance.

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    That is ridiculous. I honestly don't understand why people have to be the way they do. I don't complain about my neighbors breaking the noise ordinance by putting their noisy pug out at 11pm, why complain about my pets who have no impact on you life? Ugh, this makes me so mad. Luckily, I lived in a nice enough neighborhood where no one really cared about my snakes. Even taking a boa constrictor almost as big as I am outside didn't really turn any heads. I love taking my guys outside for photos and just to stretch their "legs." I live in a new place now, so it's yet to be seen what will happen when I bring Cloud out here, but I've walked around these apartments with Bud before with only friendly interest. The only bad reaction I had was to Cloud when he was a baby, but the neighbor only thought she could win an argument with my father over whether or not he was allowed to park in front of her apartment by bringing him up.
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    You have got to be KIDDING ME!! He was cleaning a tub??? That could have been filled with a broken Christmas ornament for goodness sakes!! Oh, how ridiculous. Can we make a petition against intolerance in this neighborhood he was forced to move from? I mean, since they are taking ridiculous petitions on a whim. Poor guy. That is even more infuriating than it was before!


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