Kenyan Sand Boa Genetics?

[unholyterror16]

I decided I wanted to get into Sand Boas, I know ALOT about Ball python genetics, but I found myself not able to understand these new color morphs in this amazing species only one I understand were the albinos, lol
Can anybody give me a list of the dominant, co-dominant, and recessive morphs for Kenyan Sand Boas? Or point me in the way of finding it with a website or a book maybe?
Any help will be greatly appreciated!!
-Billy

[lefty]

Sandboamorphs.com they have been cool when i ask them questions. They are always happy to offer up info. They also have a book im sure would help you. Also the people on the facebook groups "sand boa keepers"and" kenyan sand boa lovers" are quick to answer any questions.

[rascal_rascal_99]

Sand Boa Keepers and Sand Boas Anonymous are a couple of decent groups on facebook that both have a handful of good experienced people in them...not saying the other group you mentioned doesn't, I just don't know that one. Some of the best at working with sand boas are in those groups, guys like Jeff Holloway and Scott Miller.


There are quite a few different morphs, anery, albino, paradox albino, splash, paint and hypo...these are all simple recessive genes. We are also seeing colors outside of the normal range of color variation coming from the paint gene, so there is still a lot to be figured out with that one. (I think Scotts splatter gene may be recessive also, but not positive about that.)

There are also a few line bred or locality traits out there such as dodoma, rufescens (which is where the stripes and tigers come in, although a lot of work is left to be done here to fully understand how it works) HRP's (incredible reduced pattern line), cal/tanzinia flames.


There have been several calico's produced also, although as of yet none have proven genetic, just random one off anomalies when they happen.


This isn't meant to be a complete list, just some of the ones that come to mind quickest. If you have questions about a certain morph, I'll do what I can to answer you, or go check out the fb groups, lots of good experience and helpful people in those. Save your money on buying a book though, there isn't one to date yet that answers what you're asking about so far.

[artgecko]

When I bought my first sand boa, I went to this forum for info. It is run by the same guy that runs the sandboakeeprs group on facebook (he also is involved in or runs the sandboas anonymous group on FB.

They have been extremely helpful to me as well. I currently have an anery and a nuclear female (nuclear is a line bred high-orange / black animal).

As far as I know all of the traits are recessive, although some express differently (paints and paradox in particular). There is also a wide range of color and marking clarity between different lines and from animal to animal in a single litter.

I'd suggest joining the FB groups mentioned and ask questions / drool over the pics...Just to see what's available.

So far I am loving my sand boas and would recommend them to anyone.

I would not suggest buying your first animals from a show ( I bought from the breeder lefty mentioned) unless you are getting a lower end (normal) animal. I bought my anery female from them and although they were professional and helpful, I think I overpaid... You will have a better chance of getting a good deal and a quality animal messaging someone on the FB group when they post a litter. That is how I got my nuclear female (from Scott Miller) and he was even kind enough to start her on F/T for me.

I would also not buy the book from sandboamorphs.. It is not worth the money IMO (it is very short and has virtually no pics or info you can't find in a search). Nothing against them, as I said, I didn't have a problem with the animal I got from them and they seem honest and professional, but are apparently new to sand boas and the book doesn't have enough info to justify purchasing IMO.

There is a separate sales group on FB that is with the same people as the sand boa keepers group (sand boa classifieds I think). People post snakes and litters there often and requests for certain morphs, etc. It seems like animals are always available and you should have a good selection.

If I were you, I'd invest in good, quality low pattern animals in any of the morphs.. There are some lower pattern lines and some morphs (paint and splatter) that cause less pattern. The best looking animals IMO are dodoma or dodoma crosses with low pattern and good color. The next animals on my list are nuclear meltdown albinos and snows. (nuclear meltdowns are dodomas crossed with nuclears, so they have the clean pattern of the dodoma and the color of the nucs.). If you really want something to drool over, look on the FB groups for the nuc. meltdown albinos Scott Mller is producing.

Good luck!

[rascal_rascal_99]

Just to clarify something...paradox is not a gene by its self. There are two lines of albino, the Bell line which is the typical albino, then there is the paradox albino which has the black spots, and the two lines are not compatible.