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    BCC vs BCI

    So yesterday at the Pamona expo I bought a female red tail het albino. I'm new to boas. I've read up on their care and handling and such and feel fine with that. I had to ask the seller if she was BCC or BCI just to be sure. He said BCC. So I felt good knowing she's a "true red tail". I got a female so I didn't repeat the mistake I made with my first ball python (getting a male thinking I won't be interested in breeding). Now from what I read there really aren't any morphs for BCC? I really like the "normals" and looked all over the show to find one like her. She's nice and light and her tail is nice and red. She's got a nice subtle pink to her sides too, plus she's het albino. So did I just get into the wrong locality for breeding morphs? I love her and will keep her as just a pet if that's the case.
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    Do you have a pic? What were the parents?

    BCC albinos are really rare (I don't know of any pure specimens actually), and usually the visible albinos are not pure BCC but a cross of BCC and Colombian if not full Colombian. If you want to breed morphs, I would stick with Colombians and not mess with crossing BCI and BCCs.
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    Re: BCC vs BCI

    Quote Originally Posted by Marrissa View Post
    So yesterday at the Pamona expo I bought a female red tail het albino. I'm new to boas. I've read up on their care and handling and such and feel fine with that. I had to ask the seller if she was BCC or BCI just to be sure. He said BCC. So I felt good knowing she's a "true red tail". I got a female so I didn't repeat the mistake I made with my first ball python (getting a male thinking I won't be interested in breeding). Now from what I read there really aren't any morphs for BCC? I really like the "normals" and looked all over the show to find one like her. She's nice and light and her tail is nice and red. She's got a nice subtle pink to her sides too, plus she's het albino. So did I just get into the wrong locality for breeding morphs? I love her and will keep her as just a pet if that's the case.
    To answer your question, yes sort of.

    You may want to look at the locality thread that Evenstar started.

    Most BCC folks, and I say most not all, are VERY strict about keeping BCC localities pure.

    They frown upon mixing localities and subspecies.

    The BCI is another story. There ARE still serious locality folks, but over the years the morph market exploded and the morphs we mostly see are BCI.

    I don't know enough about morphs and who's mixing what with what to go further, but from all the info I see hand hear from BCC people they tend to be purists.

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    Sorry for the cellphone pic. It hasn't warmed up enough for any outdoor shots.
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    I can't contribute to the morph/locality discussion, but she's a very pretty girl!
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    She doesn't look to be of any pure BCC locality (I don't see much influence either) - I would contact the seller and ask what the parents were or even photos of the parents. Maybe the seller meant to say BCI instead of BCC, in which case you most likely have a Colombian BCI het albino (which makes more sense).
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    0.1 Hog Island BCI__________________0.1 Platinum Retic
    0.1 Het Anery BCL __________________0.1 Lavender Albino Citron Retic
    0.2 Central American morph BCIs_____1.0 Blonde/Caramel Retic
    0.1 Pokigron Suriname BCC__________0.1 Goldenchild Retic
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    I bought her from Randy Wright. So being that she's het albino does that mean she is indeed a cross? In that case it wouldn't be wise to breed her then right? When I asked him if she was BCI or BCC he hesitated so it could be a slip of the tongue. I'm hoping she's BCI then.

    Edit: we posted at the same time. Thank you for the help and I'll try emailing him.
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    Re: BCC vs BCI

    Quote Originally Posted by Annarose15 View Post
    I can't contribute to the morph/locality discussion, but she's a very pretty girl!
    Agreed,, pretty.

    She looks very BCI to me as well, but I'm certainly no expert. The pretty red tail you see may turn more orange with time. A true BCC will have a BLOOD red tail and that will in most cases stay red.

    The saddles look like these.

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    No email so I left him a message on his answering machine. Really hoping she's not a cross and that's she's BCI. I'm glad you don't see BCC influence Daybreaker. His other boas were albinos, sunglows, whatever you call it when motley and albino are together, and I think maybe a salmon but that might of been someone else's table. So that's leading me to believe even more she's BCI.
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    Re: BCC vs BCI

    Quote Originally Posted by Daybreaker View Post
    She doesn't look to be of any pure BCC locality (I don't see much influence either) - I would contact the seller and ask what the parents were or even photos of the parents. Maybe the seller meant to say BCI instead of BCC, in which case you most likely have a Colombian BCI het albino (which makes more sense).
    I totally agree with this. So far as I can see, that is not a BCC. There are distinct differences if you know what to look for. Also, a BCC het albino is going to cost a LOT of money as albino BCC are still very hard to come by. I don't know why the breeder would have "hesitated" to answer BCC or BCI. He ought to KNOW and not have to think about it. But who's to say...

    Anyhow, your snake is very pretty. But I agree with Daybreaker that you have a normal Colombian BCI that is het for albino.
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