Question on hets

[Bowlshot]

can u see what genes your snake might have by looking at certain characteristics of the snake? I'm only asking because certain hets look like they have that certain gene in them. For example, to me some het ghost actually have that ghostly hue to them. I know some het pieds have the tracks on their belly's but what about the other recessive mutations? if anyone knows please let know.


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[satomi325]

can u see what genes your snake might have by looking at certain characteristics of the snake? I'm only asking because certain hets look like they have that certain gene in them. For example, to me some het ghost actually have that ghostly hue to them. I know some het pieds have the tracks on their belly's but what about the other recessive mutations? if anyone knows please let know.


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Yes, in some snakes the 'recessive' gene can express itself in the hets.
A lot of people don't really consider pied or clowns to be true recessives. More like, subtle co-doms.

The pied gene can sometimes change pattern in their hets. In morph het pieds in particular.

Clown gene can brighten up some hets and influence pattern too.

[Pythonfriend]

in most recessive genes, there are no visual clues to be found on the hets. none at all.

and most markers for hets can only really be detected in context. like when you have a whole clutch, containing several possible hets, and also know the parents, you can make out subtle differences. but when looking at one individual hatchling, it does not go beyond the natural variety you have in BPs. self deceit and selective bias also make it even more unreliable: people want to see markers, so they look very hard until they think they see something.

pied and clown are extreme cases. but these extreme cases are rare. when people look at one individual snake that is possible het albino, or axanthic, or hypo, or lavender albino, or candy, and they claim to see something but they dont even have siblings to compare it to, they are generally talking crap.

[satomi325]

Just a few examples of hets influencing pattern/color.



Here's my Pastel Lesser PH Clown Hypo. I'm pretty confident she will prove out at least one het, if not both.

Het pied changes phenotype in a lot of morphs.




Alan1's Lesser 100% het pied


alfaregius's Lesser PH pied


Cinnamon 100% het pied



Pewter Mojave PH Pied

And here is my other cinnamon. Shes 50% ph pied. Would anyone like to bet against me that she doesn't prove out?

A lesser het pied I just saw on facebook.
Reminded me of this thread.




Alfaregius' het pied

I think these are great examples of het clown altering the phenotype of normals and morphs:


66% het clowns w/ clown from Cypress Creek Reps:


100% het clowns:


Super Pastel 100% het clown (hooblah's img)

2500 gram amir line yellowbelly and her 800+ gram yellowbelly 100% het clown daughter
It's pretty amazing what adding the het clown gene does to normals, yellowbelly's and other morphs.

[Gerardo]

Just like people breed morphs with certain characteristics to manipulate the appearance of the offspring could it also be done to highlight the het "look" in the offspring?

[satomi325]

This is my view regarding het markers and the "het look". I personally think there are good and bad examples of 'hets' (specifically when regarding pied and clown) like any other wildtype or morph.
I posted a picture of normal het clowns previously. You can definitely see the clown gene influencing the normal phenotype.
A few are more obvious than others. I consider this equivalent to the example of Yellowbelly or Fire. Some people cannot distinguish a horrible example of a YB or Fire from a normal. But good examples stand out and pop.
These 2 morphs can be subtle alone, but do big things when combined with morphs. Same thing with these "hets". It's not that the markers or whatever traits aren't there. They are there. Just more downplayed and subtle compared to the better examples of it....

I'm not sure if the 'het look' can be controlled to produce more animals with the same unique look. It could be totally random. I don't think there is enough evidence to conclude if breeding the more visual hets together can produce more wacky looking hets. However, Brandon Osborne consistently produces funky looking pewter het pieds. I'm not sure if it's just his line of animals or if most pewter het pieds do that in general.

[Mr. Misha]

I feel kinda dumb but I just don't see the markers for the het pied.

Can someone point out the markers on my pastave girl?

She's het pied. But the only way I know that is because I bought her from a reputable reptile store. I'll prove her out in a couple of years with my pied boy.





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[PyramidPythons]

I think a lot also has to do with the parents and what other types of phenotypes they pass on. I have a male and female het for VPI Axanthic. The female came from a Lemon Pastel to a VPI Axanthic pairing and the male came from a VPI Axanthic to a het VPI Axanthic. The female is a lot more dark golden in color, but the male is a lighter gold. If I were looking at a normal animal and trying to decide if it might be hiding a het gene, I'd pick the male over the female because he is lighter in color, has a funky head marking and a more strange pattern.

Female




Male

[Bowlshot]

This is a lot of helpful info especially with All of the pics that have been posted showing the effects that certain morphs can have on their offsprings thanks guys for all of the replies and keep them coming.


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