Question about Super forms and genetics

[Frothy]

I thought I knew most of the genetics info, but seem to have a misunderstanding about one thing; supers.

Is it possible for a Super to pass both genes (being a super) down to an offspring, or will it only give one? I was looking at the genetic wizard and for example ran Super Cinnanmon x Super Enchi, and the result was 100% Cinnamon Enchis. For some reason I thought you had the possibilities of Cinnamon Super Enchis, Enchi Super Cinnamons, Super Enchi Super Cinnamon, etc. To get a double super, would the only way be Cinnamon Enchi x Cinnamon Enchi?

I guess I am just confused at how it can inherit 4+ genes from each parent, but can't get a double (2) from them, if that makes sense. Thanks.

[hypnotixdmp]

A super would require both animals to have the gene. If one does and the other does not, or you put a super to another gene you can get the normal gene but no super version.

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[hypnotixdmp]

So if you put fire to fire you get super fire. If you put a super fire to a super pastel you get pastel fires and no supers as the male and female both have to carry the het. Gene.

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[Frothy]

So are supers considered homozygous then (two hets paired together)? And an offspring can only inherit het genes (although as many as are available)?

I understand how 'supers x others' works and the other basic genetics, just trying to figure out the genetic basis/theory as to why super forms aren't passed to the offspring. Like I mentioned, I assumed since a super was just having say two cinnamon genes, then what is the genetic reasoning as to why both can't be passed to an offspring like it could inherit 4+ from the other parent? Basically, the number of genes/morphs it can inherit from the parents doesn't seem to be limited, so is the super form altered in a way that it can't pass both cinnamon genes while the other parent could pass 4+ single genes all at once?

[MarkS]

'Super' is just another name for homozygous when refering to incomplete dominant or co-dominant morphs.

[Frothy]

After looking at some Punnet squares and doing some additional research, the Super form question I had has answered itself. I think I just wasn't thinking about the gene setup and how it plays out within the square (and forgot about the squares that involve multiple genes; freshman Biology has faded from my memory it seems), and posted prematurely before finishing my research into it.

[satomi325]

Yes, supers are homozygous.
Because they are homozygous, they can only pass that mutant gene down to the offspring.

Other mutant genes don't lie in the same genetic location, so they can pass those genes down too.

Crude Example: Super Pastel Spider Super Enchi x normal
Pastel gene=P
Spider gene = S
Enchi gene = E
Normal gene = n

Super Pastel Spider Super Enchi = PPSnEE
1 - PP (pastel pastel)
2 - Sn (spider normal)
3 - EE (enchi enchi)

The snake can only pass on one gene from those three locations. A P from location 1. Either S or n from location 2. And an E from location 3.
So The possible offspring are PSE (pastel spider enchi) or PnE (pastel Enchi)


Example 2: Super Pastel Spider Pinstripe Super Enchi x normal
1 - PP (pastel pastel)
2 - Sn (Spider normal)
3 - Pn (Pinstripe normal)
4 - EE (enchi enchi)

Possible offspring - PSPE (Pastel Spider Pinstripe Enchi), PSnE (pastel spider enchi), PnPE (Pastel Pinstripe Enchi), and PE (pastel Enchi)

I hope that made sense.

[Frothy]

Yes, supers are homozygous.
Because they are homozygous, they can only pass one gene down to the offspring.

Other mutant genes don't lie in the same genetic location, so they can pass those genes down too.

Crude Example: Super Pastel Spider Super Enchi.
Pastel gene=P
Spider gene = S
Enchi gene = E
Normal gene = n

Super Pastel Spider Super Enchi = PPSnEE
1 - PP (pastel pastel)
2 - Sn (spider normal)
3 - EE (enchi enchi)

The snake can only pass on one gene from those three locations. A P from location 1. Either S or n from location 2. And an E from location 3.
So The possible offspring are PSE (pastel spider enchi) or PnE (pastel Enchi)




I hope that made sense.

Made perfect sense, as was the explanation I was looking for when I first posted. It reaffirms the info I finished researching, so I should be set. Thanks.