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    So Leopards Aren't Het Pied?

    I just watch a JKR video and he says in the beginning of the video he states, that Leopards are not het pied. He said it was recently disproven?

    What are the details behind that? People must be bummed to hear that, assuming it is true.

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    Re: So Leopards Aren't Het Pied?

    Idk last I herd the leopard gene was part of the pied gene

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    Interesting, that's the first I heard of it. But those leopard clowns are incredible. I guess I'll have to get me a leopard now.
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    I thought they were het pieds too. I'm interested in hearing more.

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    OhhWatALoser posted this thread not too long ago. http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...rd-Not-Allelic

    time will tell though. i don't think many people breed their leopards with the hopes of making pieds. they do so more with other co-doms for the combos.

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    Re: So Leopards Aren't Het Pied?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheSnakeGeek View Post
    OhhWatALoser posted this thread not too long ago. http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...rd-Not-Allelic

    time will tell though. i don't think many people breed their leopards with the hopes of making pieds. they do so more with other co-doms for the combos.
    Yep that thread is good.

    its entirely possible for two genes to be so close together in the genome that they basically appear allelic 99% of the time and stick together 99% of the time.

    and apparently there are now cases where leopard and het pied came apart. i think the great majority of leopards are still het pied.

    starting points to look up the relevant science:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosomal_crossover
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_linkage
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CentiMorgan
    (im not debating the accuracy of wikipedia, i think with all the sources and citations its a great starting point)

    that seems to be the case here, genetic linkage. So when leopard and het pied are together, they stick together most of the time and are hard to seperate. And when you have leopard and regular pied and want to make a leopard het pied, chances are you will fail most of the time and they are hard to combine. if it all turns out to be like that and no further surprises happen, its the first case in BP breeding of two genes being linked.

    i guess now its necessary to differentiate between regular leopard, and leopard het pied. also a new morph could now be possible: a super leopard that is not a pied.
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    Hope maybe i can shed some light on this project.

    G1 = Generation 1
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    I personally had breed my G1 leopard X pied... and successfully produce leopard pieds without a doubt.
    that year the G1 leopard X Mojave producing G2 Leo Mojave.

    This year we took the G2 Leo Mojave X pied... we produce 3 leopard Mojave Het Pied, Mojave Het pied, 1 leopard.

    Could it be because of the extra mojave gene in it caused it to loos its het pied quality? or maybe is because its not genetic.

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    I have to say I have been very skeptical that there are any truly non-het for pied leopards. I would really love to hear about a male leopard that has been bred to the same pied female and not produced a pied after atleast 3 years in a row. Just would like to see how far separated the leopard gene is to the pied gene.
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    Re: So Leopards Aren't Het Pied?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ga_herps View Post
    I have to say I have been very skeptical that there are any truly non-het for pied leopards. I would really love to hear about a male leopard that has been bred to the same pied female and not produced a pied after atleast 3 years in a row. Just would like to see how far separated the leopard gene is to the pied gene.

    Why would it have to be the same female 3 years in a row and not just 3 females in one year? It would be the same outcome no matter what honestly... One pied has the same genetics as the next when it comes to that one gene so if it was to be done then it could be done in one year and over with instead of over 3 years which is honestly just a waste of time. Oh also t could be done with one single female and if a single leopard pops out then t is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that a leopard is not het pied....
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    I hope this isn't true. I was looking forward to producing leopard pieds with my leo girl eventually.
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