Need Experts on Mystery Children

[ChuckSM]

Sorry for the bad image but my camera battery died so I had to use the phone.

Here is my mystery.
Last year I breed a Normal and a Pastel and got the typical results.
This year I breed the same couple, Normal Pastel

So how out of eight eggs did I get what appears to be 2 Super Pastels, when the mother is a normal. The color is bad but the skin color is pinkish like the back of the bottom snake and their heads. Plus they both have strips down the majority of their back. All the other snakes also have clean white bellies, wither they are normal or pastel. Based on black heads versus low color head)

I moved this year so it has a slight chance that the female was with a different male but the choices are limited
Pastel
Lemon Blast
Pied
Cinnamon
Axanthic

But the female is most definatly a normal. I will grant her past babies, some had a Granite look. But normal are not supposed to carry any other genes unless they are Hets.
Or can we know use the same rules we use for ourselves. Just because husband and wife are dark headed doesn't mean the child cant be blond because the great grandmother who was blond

[ChuckSM]

ok so apparently I cant post pics here not even from my own gallery

[ChuckSM]

Lets try this

http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/show...mageuser=18212

http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/show...mageuser=18212

[ChuckSM]

http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/show...hp?i=46983&c=3

camera working. that's 5 babies there. supers or whatever or middle and right end

[Chkadii]

Beyond erring on the side of "user error" (putting her with one of the two pastel-carrying males), it's possible she may have retained sperm from them even if they hadn't bred this year.

Post pics after they shed too, please. I've seen a few people with tough calls for pastel/super pastels. I see what you're saying about the blushed heads, but to me the bodies seem dark for supers. I think it'll be easier to make a call then.

[rafacacho]

Really bad pictures....I think you got something there, I dont know what. The stripe is weird... Post pictures of mom and dad.

[ChuckSM]

Here is another with a good camer, they look kind of bright to me in the photo tho. In their tub they look almost white and yes they are just a day old

http://ball-pythons.net/gallery/show...hp?i=46984&c=3

[T&C Exotics]

The smaller one looks to be under developed. That could very well cause difference in coloration. The other one looks like a decent pastel.

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Beyond erring on the side of "user error" (putting her with one of the two pastel-carrying males), it's possible she may have retained sperm from them even if they hadn't bred this year.

Post pics after they shed too, please. I've seen a few people with tough calls for pastel/super pastels. I see what you're saying about the blushed heads, but to me the bodies seem dark for supers. I think it'll be easier to make a call then.

For this to happen the female would have to be pastel.........

[4theSNAKElady]

Love the title of this thread....maybe you should contact Maury? Either way, those are some nice er, children.

sent from my incubator

[Chkadii]

The smaller one looks to be under developed. That could very well cause difference in coloration. The other one looks like a decent pastel.

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For this to happen the female would have to be pastel.........

Whoops! Thanks for catching that. Somehow I misremembered the pair as a pastel female and a normal male.