Spider x Spider??

[Adam105]

I want to hear from anyone that has done a spider x spider pairing? What was the outcome? I am thinking of throwing a male spider dh lav/ped on a few spied girls this coming season but want to make sure the outcome isnt gong to be lethal. Please refrain from commenting what you've "heard of"...I only want to hear from people that have actually bred two spiders together. Thanks in advance!

[BHReptiles]

spider x spider being lethal is 100% a myth. All your babies will be fine.

[Adam105]

Thats what I thought. What pairing have you done? Was the outcome 100% spiders?

[BHReptiles]

This is my fist season, so I can't offer you my stats (however, I can tell you that I plan on doing spider x spider breedings in the future). A dear friend of mine did a bumblebee x mojave spider. She ended up with all healthy babies. Since spider is a dominant gene, you may get some homozygous spiders but you won't be able to tell them from normal spiders.

[Adam105]

Thats kind of what I'm hoping for: homo spders. But I'd still be more comfortable hearing a personal account of someone breeding spider x spider??

[BHReptiles]

Thats kind of what I'm hoping for: homo spders. But I'd still be more comfortable hearing a personal account of someone breeding spider x spider??

You just won't be able to tell homo spiders from non. Only breeding trials will be able to tell that.

May I ask why a person account is much better than my own story? Just because I didn't do the pairing (but I did personally witness locks), didn't pull mom of the eggs (but I did see the eggs), or messed with the babies (even though I personally sexed them) makes my story any less noteworthy? I'm just curious, is all. It just doesn't make sense to me. I'm trying to offer you help and advice and it's almost like you don't want it.

[OhhWatALoser]

I will have to disagree with it being 100% myth, we just simply don't know.

We haven't seen a dead animal besides one claim that I know of, http://www.reptileradio.net/ball-pyt...tml#post775644 and one claim out of many breedings that have been done doesn't have me convinced yet, even if the homozygous rarely goes full term, you think there would be more than 1 by now.

There hasn't been a proven homozygous spider and honestly I haven't heard of an attempt to prove one out, let alone the multiples attempts it would take to even make a claim of it being lethal or say it doesn't exist. People use the lack of evidence as evidence of it being lethal which is ridiculous imo. If no one is looking for it and enough time goes by, apparently it just dies all of a sudden......

As for a breeder who has done spider x spider breedings personally, here you go: http://youtu.be/-fhnR5YdGdI?t=1m

how ever I personally feel he doesn't give us any more information, I haven't heard of his attempts (if any) to prove out a homozygous spider, so we are still in the same boat of "we don't know"

[joebad976]

A buddy of mine paired Spinnerblast to spider this year got 6 eggs. 5 babies were deformed or died through incubation and he hatched one normal. It may have been temp related issues but personally I stay away from spider to spider pairings. Myth or not....its take a long time to produce hatchlings and I would hate to lose a clutch trying to figure out if it is a myth or not.

[brock lesser]

I also believe we just dont know and no one can give you a guarantee that your pairing won't be leathel or fine.
I would take All the info and decide what level of risk you can accept.
As far as the homo spider goes if there is one, it hasn't been proven or it would be all over the net,
people tend to talk.
Good luck whatever you decide.

[CD CONSTRICTORS]

Spider x Spider is just plain not a good idea. Advice from many breeders will be to avoid that pairing.

Spiders alone have enough neurological deficits. We don't really need "Super" forms of them floating around to further muck up the gene pool.